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Police will use new device to take fingerprints in street

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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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Police will use new device to take fingerprints in street


www.guardian.co.uk

Every police force in the UK is to be equipped with mobile fingerprint scanners - handheld devices that allow police to carry out identity checks on people in the street.

The new technology, which ultimately may be able to receive pictures of suspects, is likely to be in widespread use within 18 months. Tens of thousands of sets - as compact as BlackBerry smartphones - are expected to be distributed.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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Well it is about time.
I was wondering how long this would take. I can't wait untill we have cool stuff like this in Nazi Amerika.
I just hope it will help the police find those damn terrorists.
You people in the U.K. don't know how good you got it. You are like ten times safer than us here in the U.S.

I am considering moving to London where at least I can rest my head at night knowing that the government is watching
and recording every movement.
You guys are like movie stars, I think I read you get something on the order of 300 pictures a day,taken of you.
Awesome!!

www.guardian.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:12 AM
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Wow!!!!! It seems as if it's all starting primarily in U.K.

I also read an article here on ATS about a few months go they were saying they're going to chip all prisoners and parolees, then possibly all police and Gov't officials after.

Wow!!!!

Glad Im not there.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 11:56 AM
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It makes me wondcer how we all survived 30 years ago when all of this technology didn't exist.
It is a lucky thing we are safe now and getting safer by the day.
I just hope Amerika is as safe as the U.K. someday.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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Its good to know how worried about terrorists our governments are. I mean, the ability to track us all the time and have our fingerprints on file. I cant wait until they have a DNA or retinal scan for each of us. Imagine the safety we will feel!!!

And the clock to moving off the grid and saying the hell with all of this nanny state, socialism just keeps ticking.......



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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Just like anything else, the people will complain and complain until they become acclimatized to the situation. Once this happens they are looking for the next thing to be fearful about. Whether you want to agree or not the government has us beat by a long shot. And although I hear a lot of people talking about revolution etc..., it will never happened. People have become too dependent of government to take care of their needs.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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It depends on where you live in Amerika, I guess. Here in the great state of Tejas, you are required to give your thumb prints when you get your drivers license. I had to submit all 10 prints in order to get a freaking license with the department of insurance. The way i see it is that you gotta give to get. A cop will NEVER be able to walk up to people at random, without cause, and demand your finger prints...if that day comes and I am confronted with the issue, then I will laugh at him and walk off.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:32 PM
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This is stupidity.Fingerprinting people at random.
Even if they haven't committed any so called crime.
I would not consent to it.
And if they force me they will end up paying me handsomely.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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SO the question is are you free or are you a slave.. at what point will you admit you are enslaved?



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:50 PM
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You know, lately I have heard a lot of scary reports from the UK about losses of privacy and liberty... but I don't think this is one of them.

This is simply a cheap and easy alternative to taking fingerprints the old-fashioned way, without all that messy ink. It also links one-way to a database that speeds up the search through the prints already on record.

From the article:

Liberty, the civil rights group, cautioned that the law required fingerprints taken in such circumstances to be deleted after use. Gareth Crossman, Liberty's policy director, said: "Saving time with new technology could help police performance but officers must make absolutely certain that they take fingerprints only when they suspect an individual of an offence and can't establish his identity."

(Emphasis mine)

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Source: www.guardian.co.uk...

So if you happen to look a little like the guy who just robbed a convenience store and you happen to get stopped, you press your thumb on the pad and in a couple minutes the officer apologizes and says "have a nice day"... far preferable to getting the honor of a ride downtown to be questioned. Your fingerprints are deleted, not stored, so there is really no record of your questioning, unlike in the trip downtown. And finally, the nice cop can spend his time searching for the real criminal rather than harassing you and getting angry because the new shipment of Dunkin Donuts is due and he's missing it.


As with any new technology, the devil will be in the details of implementation, but so far this sounds like a good idea... unless you're a criminal already and trying to sneak away.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Really it is not much different than picking up an item you just threw away in public either. Anything in the trash and not on your property is free to be picked through by anyone who wants something from it.

Basically what I am saying is if they really wanted your DNA/figure prints that bad they could wait on the side of the street until the garbage man grabbed your trash from your lawn/driveway.

Reminds me of a post I read on here a few years back but thought was crazy at the time. That post suggested people take a break from thinking the world was out to get them or even ATS for a few days to clear your head. Now I understand what that poster was talking about, it really helps you to think more rationally much of the time. Seriously if they wanted it that bad they could have everything about you on record. Or maybe we are already in a glass jail and no one knows about it. If that is the case it is too late already because you are chasing ghosts.

Raist



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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The point is,
You have a right to go about your business without being stopped or hindered in ANY way.
The fact that you have to take one second out of your day to give a fingerprint is one second too much.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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No, you have the right not to be harrassed/stopped without good cause. A big difference.

As RedNeck said, if you fit the bill for a crime that has been committed, it would be far easier to provide the info on the street and be on your way than being nicked and spending hours in a cell for something you didn't do.

Having spent some time in Police custody in the past, I would rather be on my way in a few minutes rather than going to the Station and waiting hours to prove my innocence.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:37 PM
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I support these scanners, I hope they make it over here quickly. I know it would save the local PD time when disorderly drunks 'lose' there ID's suddenly.
Not an lick of sarcasm, I actually love these high tech tools for Law Enforcement.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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I’m in agreement with Redneck and stumason here, a few seconds is better than heading down town.

I only carry ID when I am driving so if I am walking down the street I would rather give a print now than take the rest of the day trying to get straight who I am.

Raist



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 06:27 PM
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When the police run your license plate they can get the same exact information they can get from this fingerprint scanner.

This is nothing they can't already do.


Sorry tinfoils, but this isn't some new technology to oppress us by the evil gubberment and their police state.

However, what it WILL do is help identify real criminals, the ones who steal cars and such that police can't run a license plate on.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 05:33 AM
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Thanks for the link cbass


It seems identical to the system they are setting up in Australia. So it goes to show this type of identity check will become wide spread, with police forces so far in the U.K & Australia using it.

What I am unsure of, or want clarified, is if you are suspected of wrong doing, and they scan your print for ID purposes, isn't your print now on their database?

So a random stop, in your car or on the street "could" result in a check, and an uploading of your prints to file at the database. From what I understand, the police can only print you if your being charged with a crime? I could be wrong, I've never been in trouble with the law, but I am pretty sure you cant be printed unless your actually being charged with something. What worries me, if that is indeed the case, is now with this new technology, they can scan you for an ID check, thereby obtaining your prints, without charge or arrest on the sly.

I'd appreciate if someone could verify this.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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[Amendment IV]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Instant seizure of a persons fingerprint is infringement on the person in an unreasonable manner. Without a warrant. Without probable cause. Without an oath or affirmation particularly describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized.

The only reason for seizeing your fingerprint is possible cause. That is not probable cause.



posted on Nov, 2 2008 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
[Amendment IV]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Instant seizure of a persons fingerprint is infringement on the person in an unreasonable manner. Without a warrant. Without probable cause. Without an oath or affirmation particularly describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized.

The only reason for seizeing your fingerprint is possible cause. That is not probable cause.


The UK doesn't have a constitution.



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