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This is how we fall...

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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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The end of the Capitalist system as we know it...

I resign my fate and that of my country to be shred to pieces, I can no longer go on when opposed by masses of people thunderously applauding such drivel. This is the end of the beliefs and values of our Founding Fathers as we know it. This is the end to the Capitalist system. I don't know about you but if he gets elected I'm moving to...oh wait there's no where to move to because there's a New World Order!


All to thunderous applause.




posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:15 PM
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Interesting video. But since all countries have their rise and fall, it's
bound to be our (the USA) turn eventually. I was hoping it woudn't
happen so soon, but oh well. We'll just have to live simplier lives.
We may find ourselves happier with closer family units as a bonus.
-cwm



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:20 PM
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I feel the same way - there is no place to escape to. I am so sad.

Today I apologized to my 10 year old son for the world he is going to grow up into.

If he gets to grow up at all. But I left that part out, since he's only 10.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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First of all, I loathe videos full of writing. Write it down and I'll read it but not at that deathly slow pace. Second of all don't you DARE blame Obama for the country being in the state it is in today. Don't you dare try to cover up the treason of the last 8 years that has our country on the brink of economic collapse.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:26 PM
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The thunderous applause is canned and the people swaying to the new world order beat are holograms.
Truth is no one likes it.
Nowhere to run nowhere to hide seems to give new meaning to the quote “ Give me liberty or give me death.”



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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Then I guess it’s up to you to give your 10 year old the world he deserves, I’m standing by willing to help.
I believe there will come a time when we will be forced to take what is ours.
I think everyone knows this, but if all else fails we can wait out this new world order crap.
Judging by how the elitists run things it will fall to corruption soon enough



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:32 PM
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Obama hasn’t done anything “YET“.
So I hope your not serious.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:12 AM
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"since all countries have their rise and fall, it's bound to be our (the USA) turn eventually. I was hoping it woudn't happen so soon, but oh well."

...and that would be a huge part of why right there! It is "sad" indeed... sad that so few fail to grasp or comprehend their duties as Americans in defending their own Constitution!

This thread is a bit "defeatist" don't you think? Or shall I also say "Oh well..." ?



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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The capitalist system has failed, because it hasn't been a true capitalist system for a long time. The weak capitalist system we have is wealth distriubution in favor of the rich. Socialism favors the poor. A true capitalist systems is fair for both. So when people have these fuzzy ideas for socialism, its because of this failure. The capitalist system the way we have it now DOES NOT work, there is hardly anything to disesmble like people like to think. The way things are now needs to change, but only to the extent which capitalism is restored.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:51 AM
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you're right, it's like we are trying to use a Capitalist system with Socialist tendencies. They don't work together.

Yes I am being a bit defeatist. I'm just trying to be a good person now and get my "religion"...

Good luck though guys, I think we're gonna need it.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by snowen20
Then I guess it’s up to you to give your 10 year old the world he deserves...

I don't like your implication that I am somehow negligent for expressing valid grief. Or that if the world goes to sh*t it will be because I didn't try hard enough. I am a mother, and like a bear I would die for my kids. I have a little girl too but she is too young to understand, so I haven't discussed any of this stuff with her.

Do you have kids?

Of course I am already doing everything I can. I will continue to do everything I can, 110%. My husband and I are prepared to fight when the time comes. But I am legitimately sad for my kid that he will likely inherit a Mad Max world, and there is little that can be done about nuclear wars, hyperinflation, food shortages, bird flu, etc. I personally believe the martyrdom of Christians s also on the table, since I have a Christian world view and I believe we are entering the end times. - Which might not be a bad thing in the end. Still, I grieve for the future I wanted for my kids, which those in power are denying them. I would probably sell everything and move to the mountains, grow my own vegetables, etc. if it was entirely up to me. But I also have a husband and he thinks it won't come to that. I do not make family decisions unilaterally. So I vote, I speak out, I talk to people, I prepare as best I can for what is coming, I pray, and I feel sad for my kids' future.

Don't judge me.

The OP seemed resigned to the inevitable; I personally will not go down without a fight.

But expressing grief over what I think is a forgone outcome is not wrong, nor is it the same thing as giving up.

Take the famous lines from the movie The Return of the King:

Gamling: "Too few have come. We cannot defeat the armies of Mordor."
Theoden: "No, we cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless!"

It is possible to express a sense of doom and a willingness to fight to the death at the same time. And nobly so.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:28 AM
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I applaud it because for to long the will of the people has come second to the greed of the few.

I think we can all agree, this downfall was inflicted from the rich few at the top of the heap, all for greed and power.

Be sad because what youve always known to be true, is slowly falling apart, but do not shed too many tears my friend.
look up and look long because for something to be fixed and created properly, it first must be destroyed.

I look forward to the new world once we have defeated the current order, through bullets or through thunderclouds, wether I meet you in the trenches or on the beaches, we will embrace a new sense of moralit and peace when the criminals are killed!

what is coming will not be pretty nor kind, but what will result will be worth it all.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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Being said so well, it truly needs to be said again.
I applaud you Stikkinikki.


First of all, I loathe videos full of writing. Write it down and I'll read it but not at that deathly slow pace. Second of all don't you DARE blame Obama for the country being in the state it is in today. Don't you dare try to cover up the treason of the last 8 years that has our country on the brink of economic collapse.





posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by stikkinikki
First of all, I loathe videos full of writing. Write it down and I'll read it but not at that deathly slow pace. Second of all don't you DARE blame Obama for the country being in the state it is in today. Don't you dare try to cover up the treason of the last 8 years that has our country on the brink of economic collapse.


First of all, it's not like you couldn't skip through the video, second of all I didn't actually put any blame on Obama for the last 8 years. However, I will put the blame on him when he f's up everything that is coming though.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by PinealGlandThoth]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:39 PM
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"what is more permanent, what is more important? the past, or the future, a single country or an entire planet? A single persons view or the view of the entire specie? money and vanity, or survival and understanding, truth or fear? what will you choose?"-Oorng Taay

Personally, Ive always looked at the political and monetary systems as a sort of joke set of training wheels. People, we dont need leaders, or religions, people dont need money, people dont need politics. Money and politics open the door to ignorance and lack of education(the need and the want), vanity, greed and deceit. Religions just ice their cake of divide and conquer control. What Im getting at here, is that I believe that ultimately the human race says no to all forms and aspects of slavery, and ultimately, a natural order takes place without people trying to control the way things are or could be.
This is not a view taken from reading books, though it is not new, it was a simple realization I had when I was five, and I vowed to myself not to ever get caught up in being affected by any of modern societies psychological, emotional and physical illusory suggestions or belief systems and traps.
Borders, countries, governments, currency, laws, hierarchy, dogma and violence, were all great (hypothetically) in their conception and development, but the time has come where a much deeper and vast realization of truth is at play, and it is so plainly obvious these concepts are all deep insults and detriments to our current intelligence and spiritual/overall potential as a race.
Point being, dont worry, dont fear, I am surely not alone in my views, and I vow to be wearing a positive loving head in the face of total chaos and disaster, always lending a helping hand in any way shape or form needed when the fecal matter hits the fans of this mess...and it will...it always does...



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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That video is garbage. It's definition of socialism is mostly wrong. It uses things Obama says as a definition, but then only at the end does it try to tie it in:

"Tax the rich"

"Tax businesses"

"Give tax breaks to the poor"

These are not the tenets of socialism. It finally nails it at the end:

"Government ownership and complete regulation of business".

Now, if you can prove that Obama wants all business to be government owned and regulated... you'll have something to talk about. Otherwise, you're just talking about Clinton's demand-side economics.

I don't believe Clinton's era "destroyed the fabric of capitalism". This socialism attack is unfounded, and it's quite a pathetic, desperate attempt for gaining the last few votes.

Good luck, hopefully you'll get some people who are too dumb to think for themselves to vote for McCain.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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Trying to make sense of this.

Bush has spent the last 8 years increasing the divide between the rich and the poor, increasingly allowing the rich to get away with whatever they want to make more money.
McCain seems to agree with these ideals. It's just the same government repackaged.

I cannot count the number of connections I've seen between government and big business, where governmental decisions are being made in awarding (or even creating entire scenarios to allow awarding) lucrative contracts to corporations they have a vested interest in.

My own personal opinion is that the world needs desperately to scale back.

We need a big event to reverse globalization as it currently exists. We need a big event to "reboot" the governmental systems we now find ourselves facing.
We've all forgotten that the government is employed by the people. We allow them to give instructions and orders without constraint and without restriction.
Some of the things the US government has done in the last 8 years should have caused massive civil unrest. And yet it hasn't. Why is that? Probably because people have become too complacent, too accepting and too defeatist. Unless you see a few thousand people protesting on the news, you feel alone in your anger. And if the news is controlled through "anti-terror" laws by the state, it won't be shown.

I once saw evidence of a massive protest when Bush was inaugurated, but how much of that was shown on US media?
In DC in 2005, there were riot police, masked and using pepper spray against protesters, but did you see it on CNN?
I saw lots of discussion after from people who had no idea of the protests, so I am inclined to believe that most Americans thought they were alone in their anger.

Obama, whatever his intentions, is the only option in my view. You have a failed system right now, what you need is change, a new leadership with new ideas. You simply won't get that with McCain.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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If one were to add up everything that is known about Obama, his "friends" his work experience, his plans on how he's going to "Change" government and the economic system to fix what America has been doing wrong for hundreds of years. You will get a sum that is not pretty to look at.

Obama has admitted to Socialist tendencies and he wants to increase government spending to fix America's problems, now wait a second, I thought that government was only set in place to 1. Protect the people 2. Provide public services (fire departments, police, etc..), and 3. Punish evildoers.

Why is government moving toward a Socialist Government day by day? Just because we live in a modern world does not my "Wealth of Nations" does not apply. Socialism does not work in large countries like America. In Switzerland, yes. America no, it's too big and to prone to corruption. Freedom from government intervention into private affairs such as what we do with our money and our free time is what our Founding Fathers started the Revolution for in the first place. Day by day we see our freedoms dwindle back to the specks that they were 400 years ago.

As a citizen of the United States of America, I am not ok with the freedoms I grew up with being taken away from me. Let me ask you this, if you could have the freedom that our Founding Fathers sought, would you take it?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:58 PM
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Your post is one giant argumentative fallacy.

Jumping to conclusions.

Ad hom.

Non sequitur, and more.

If you want to talk policy, I'd be glad to do it. Post something of Obama's policy up that you disagree with and we'll have a real discussion.

So, yeah, I'm calling you out on it. Post up something real, besides mud, and then I'll consider reading your entire post.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 03:35 AM
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We don't need to be afraid, and I don't think we are going to fall and here's why:

Following the inauguration of Barack Obama, who by the way was a college instructor of constitutional law, and the increased seats in congress by fellow Democrats, we can expect many changes.

Perhaps the most important will be the restoration of the US Constitution to it's supreme position and a restoration towards checks and balances that we haven't seen since Bush took power. Prior to Bush, no matter what party was in power (the dems had power of congress but still took their roll as watchdogs over the executive branch very seriously by checking the power of Carter with oversight) oversight of the executive branch was a huge part of the duties of congress. With Bush this ended (remember that Bush or whomever is the president of the party is in almost total control).

Another important change, that I hope Obama pursues is the removal of the political arm from judicial areas of govn't. The founding fathers intended for the Judicial branch to be independent...Bush has all but trampled this principle and with the blessing of the rest of the Republican party as well.

To me it's very unfortunate that the candidates are talking about everything except the very fundamentals that arguably are more important than anything that this country faces right now ie the supreme power of the constitution. Bush has set a precedent whereby the executive branch does as it pleases and is not accountable to no one. He has barely even bothered to use his veto powers because he simply takes out a pen and writes what parts of the various bill he agrees with and will follow and the parts he won't. Should we be teaching our children then that there are no checks and balances, and that the president does as he pleases and the roll of congress is simply a suggestive one?

The very ideals of our nation from it's birth in 1776 are at stake here. Bush and the Republican assault on democracy and the US Constitution simply must be restored if America and Liberty are to live on. Obama is an expert at constitutional law and I believe he favors a restoration of our rights, the supremacy of the Constitution, and the independence of the Judicial branch. I believe this because he has been indorsed by Al Gore (also strongly vocal and expert in the area), and we see Bill Clinton stumping for him now probably because of these issues.

In short, please be suspicious of the propaganda, and the paid for spin from the electronic media. Careful study and research, and lot's of objective research can help provide one with facts that one can then use to navigate through the fog and so not only because Obama will help America in this role, but also the increased use of the internet whereby folks can trade ideas and test what they have been told by bought and paid for messages from the TV and radio, and this hopefully will help lead to more independent thinking. Logically it makes sense too because there are vested interests that have a lot at stake and will profit heavily by a govn't that isn't by the people for the people. Many of these same interests are the very ones that pay for the 30 second tv spots, and keep many of the stations on the air!

We can do better. We can use reason and by way of facts and reason, reject propaganda and render it impotent.

Also, to quote a famous pres. "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself".



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