All Humans Are Not Homo Sapiens?, page 2
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reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 12:53 AM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Sahabi



Well genetics disagrees with you. The human genome map showed us the that the 'Out of Africa' Theory was accurate, that every race of human still alive can trace it's roots some 200,000 years to the archaic Africans. We are ALL Africans.

From an anatomical standpoint, we are barely different at all.



reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 01:54 AM by Good Wolf
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Well I'm pretty into this stuff and I haven't seen anything so much as hinting at scientists objecting to it in any way. In fact the only place in recent science that I've seen that happening is with the fields that are tied to politics, namely climate change. All the evidence generally points at the sun, but the politicians misrepresent the science to say man- and that kinda stuff.


reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 11:16 AM by dave420
reply to post by BindareDundat



Our species is Homo sapiens, but our subspecies (modern human, the only subspecies in Homo sapiens) is Homo sapiens sapiens. So yes, he was correct.


reply posted on 11-3-2012 @ 01:33 AM by gort51
Apologies in advance for Grimnal.....Most of us know how to spell in Australia, obviously someone played a joke and moved his keyboard keys about.

Now, the Platypus is not only a Mammal, it is a Monotreme....Only TWO monotremes currently exist on Planet Earth, both in Australia.
They Are Mammals that Lay Eggs.........Maybe they are related to Dinosaurs and Lacerta??.

As is usual, and becoming more prevalent, Scientists do not know everything. In fact their work is mostly Theory, conjecture and plain guessing.

In the early 2000s a Biogeneticist stated that ALL Homo Sapiens come from an "Eve" that existed in East Africa 66,000 years ago...not before, not after.

This is despite knowledge that Neanderthal man was in Europe up to 250,000 years ago, not to mention all the other Homo Species spread around the Earth anywhere up to 1-2 million years ago.

Indeed, apparently Homo Sapien teeth have been discovered in Israel dated to 400,000 years ago.

Native Australian peoples have genetic traits similar to Asia and India (which makes sense if they came from Europe). In Fact the Australian Dark man is Considered Caucasian (they have the Neanderthal gene), Not African.

The Huge Diversity of "Types" of Humans on Africa, is greater than all types on the rest of the planet.
Yet, They seem to be all classed as "Negroid", even tho a Bushman is so different from a Masai, they could be from different planets.....yet they live on the same continent that the "Experts" say they all came from only 66000 years ago.

It is well known that the European Neanderthal had a spoken language, some consider that "Language" came from outside of Africa and was imported.

Scientists contradict each other so much on their "Theories", we honestly may never know for sure how man come about...
Of Course, none of this considers the "Alien" equation, or what the Lizard Men think of us...


reply posted on 11-3-2012 @ 01:36 PM by Barcs
All humans are still 95+% homosapien, but they have genes of other hominids mixed in, for example Neanderthal and Denisovans. This shows that they bred and shared genes with sapiens, which explains our genetic diversity.

Originally posted by gort51
In the early 2000s a Biogeneticist stated that ALL Homo Sapiens come from an "Eve" that existed in East Africa 66,000 years ago...not before, not after.

This is not true. The concept of mitochondrial eve is not all humans coming from a single ancestor. The human population has rarely dipped below 10,000, although I've seen evidence that suggests it might have been as low as 2000 as one point. You cannot have an entire species coming from a single ancestor. It is not possible.

Indeed, apparently Homo Sapien teeth have been discovered in Israel dated to 400,000 years ago.

You got a link on that? Homo sapiens in their current anatomical form, did not exist 400,000 years ago. Perhaps you are referring to homo sapien ancestors, Neanderthals (also called archaic homo sapiens), or perhaps Rhodesiensis or Ergaster.

The Huge Diversity of "Types" of Humans on Africa, is greater than all types on the rest of the planet.
Yet, They seem to be all classed as "Negroid", even tho a Bushman is so different from a Masai, they could be from different planets.....yet they live on the same continent that the "Experts" say they all came from only 66000 years ago.

According to evidence there were actually several migrations out of Africa by homo sapiens and their ancestors.
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reply posted on 11-3-2012 @ 03:27 PM by Barcs
reply to post by rickymouse



Yes, there's a good chance there is more mixed into our DNA that we are aware of. I don't think science can actually determine that without having a genome mapped for the species we are being compared to, however, so it's difficult to say if we'd even be able to tell if that did happen. Maybe some day, however.
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reply posted on 12-3-2012 @ 10:28 AM by rickymouse
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It's important to also note that not all humans have been tested. Some people wouldn't even consider giving blood or tissue for genetic testing Testing these common people on any than a volunteer basis has never been officially done. I say officially because we don't know what happens to our tissues after operations are done or by acquisition of other means. We have laws in place that govern release of this personal information but not the for collecting and testing of it as anonymous tissue.


reply posted on 12-3-2012 @ 11:35 AM by HappyBunny
Originally posted by rickymouse
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post by Barcs



It's important to also note that not all humans have been tested. Some people wouldn't even consider giving blood or tissue for genetic testing Testing these common people on any than a volunteer basis has never been officially done. I say officially because we don't know what happens to our tissues after operations are done or by acquisition of other means. We have laws in place that govern release of this personal information but not the for collecting and testing of it as anonymous tissue.


Slightly OT, but this reminds me of something. Ethics plays a big part of the reasons why some people will not allow themselves to be tested. My 15 year old is taking Bio this year, and this isn't our biology. It's all molecular bio and biochemistry. Right now they're talking about bioethics and were watching a film that excerpted part of Gattaca, if you've ever seen that. Fortunately, I already had that movie so we sat down and watched it over the weekend.

It could really open a Pandora's box if everyone was mandated to have themselves sequenced. We're a long way from designer babies, but insurance companies could, and probably would, discriminate based solely on what genetic predisposition you might have to certain diseases. They could exclude you based on a pre-existing condition that you don't even have yet.

Sorry to derail. I thought that was slightly relevant!
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