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Bush's Possible, but true Alien War.

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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by silver6ix
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That was very interesting but I dont see your point? This isnt "public perception" we are talking about here.

What we are talking about that NASA by the admission of their own former personell, and a list of scientists both ex NASA and ex NASA sub contractors have clearly said that NASA have lied, on numerous occasions on numerous things. Now while you can easily dimiss them since NASA now claims anyone who questions NASA is not credible, im afraid the balance of information stands heavily against them.

NASAs word isnt worth anything because it is dictated to them under national security and upper tier control. NASA are not a free organisation, they do not deal in public truth, they deal in deception and everything of any note you will never see because its all classified.

Again its be stated and shown time and again but "credibility" apprently doesnt apply to person once they stop speaking with the NASA (NSA) voice. Thats the only problem here.


Nice attempt at dodging the issue and jumping to yet something else without addressing the core issue.

The real issue here is that there is no proof of real aliens visiting us. It's that simple. Everything else is just some fluff that you throw to distract from answering the real question.

NASA wasn't even in the discussion until you brought it up.




posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 04:20 PM
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I heard about this too. I am still having trouble with why people go so surprised over this kind of thing though. Yesterday's fantasy is today's reality. Seriously. Everyone that was supposed to know something said, "Oh that city of Troy was just a legend made up by Homer". Someone decides they really just won't admit the facts, walks over to where Troy was supposed to, and then digs it up. And what do you know! All of a sudden, Troy isn't fiction anymore! The Wright Brothers convinced the willfully dead that flight was possible and not too long before that metal was shaped and sealed so it would float.
All of Earth's cultures say that we have been visited many times. They all speak of a global flooding. They all speak of very, very, many things that are today not often observed. Yet, as is often said, "Absence of proof is not proof of absence".
Humanity never "invents" anything. Instead, humanity looks at something they before not seen, found no significance in, or utility and for whatever reason relevant to their time and era, begin to use it. It didn't invent flight. It looked at a bird and said, "I can copy that." The Egyptians and some of the South Americans had flight well figured out. It is good to remember too that there is a reason to say "ancient" Egyptians. They existed for 4000 years. There's not a country today older than 400.
Humanity doesn't do anything. It's like a flower in a field. If something happens to happen close enough to it to be sensed it may take on something of that thing into itself but only for so long as that thing remains present and humanity can remember to. After that, humanity forgets and goes again into waiting for its next advantage.

Some of humanity wakens and begins to act of its own accord, working with things for what it will but these are few and the mob cares little for them as it may mean that in some later date what is now may not be, and though the mob is not immortal it fears that it may live to see change though it happens ever always around it.

Sure, Bush would do something as stupid as building a weapons platform on the moon. That's all it would be unless of course they might also like to use it to live through whatever disaster this planet is going to go through if humanity doesn't get a grip soon.

I remember reading somewhere that there are three agendas out there. The first was to fix what we have done to the earth. The second was to let it play out while creating havens for a select few to survive the disasters humanity has wrought for this planet. The last one was to leave the planet with those that could be taken and go elsewhere. This last was supposedly what the elite some fifty years ago have decided to do.

It would certainly explain alot of things. Like why are the elite bankrupting America as well as the Earth's resources. This cannot be sustained but the elite are, sadly, not personally suicidal and therefore they must have an out?
You decide...


Nothing unreal exists. If it is not currently in existence it is just because existence hasn't gotten around to putting it out there.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Old_One
I heard about this too. I am still having trouble with why people go so surprised over this kind of thing though. Yesterday's fantasy is today's reality. Seriously.


Why are you surprised? If you follow history, as you claim you do, then you will know that people resisted the idea of round earth orbiting around the sun. In fact, Galileo was not the first one to propose spherical earth - it goes back at least to ancient Greece. So at the end, there is no knowing who believed what, only what you read in books.


Humanity never "invents" anything.


Internal combustion engine.


Instead, humanity looks at something they before not seen, found no significance in, or utility and for whatever reason relevant to their time and era, begin to use it. It didn't invent flight. It looked at a bird and said, "I can copy that."


This field is called biomimetics. It's studying nature, and devising own designs from it. As much as humans did not invent flying, they invented the airplane. They didn't copy it. Yes, it's that simple.


The Egyptians and some of the South Americans had flight well figured out.


Can you provide some links to this info?


It is good to remember too that there is a reason to say "ancient" Egyptians. They existed for 4000 years.


The reason to say "ancient" Egyptians is the same as why you'd say "ancient Greece" - to distinguish between modern-day Egyptians and the ones that lived in ancient times. It is not because they existed for 4000 years.


There's not a country today older than 400.


Actually, at least Russia is. It's at least 460 years old from the time that Ivan the Terrible was crowned as the first tsar of Russia. But it's much older than that. They referred to Russia as Rus' for much longer. The basis of it goes to the first millennium, to East slavs.


If something happens to happen close enough to it to be sensed it may take on something of that thing into itself but only for so long as that thing remains present and humanity can remember to. After that, humanity forgets and goes again into waiting for its next advantage.


And yet more flawed generalities. What are you talking about? Why not provide an example.


Sure, Bush would do something as stupid as building a weapons platform on the moon. That's all it would be unless of course they might also like to use it to live through whatever disaster this planet is going to go through if humanity doesn't get a grip soon.


And yet more sci-fi and inability to grasp all the variables.

In order to have a base on the moon to survive the disaster on the earth, you need to develop a life-sustaining system on the moon, that would support hundreds of people living there, and provide food for several decades, quite possibly hundreds of years. We have difficulty existing in space as it is for several months/years.


I remember reading somewhere that ... The last one was to leave the planet with those that could be taken and go elsewhere. This last was supposedly what the elite some fifty years ago have decided to do.


A book probably written by blossom goodchild who got the revelation from the federation of light.


It would certainly explain alot of things.


It certainly describes why the world is in such a sh!tty state. It's because people cannot deal with what's real and in front of them, they're clouded by fantasy and their view of reality is distorted.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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Did you ever notice how people started talking about UFO abductions and visitations only recently, meaning in the last 100 years? War of the Worlds was written when, in 1898? Did you notice some of the original artwork for it? It reflected the technology that people had back then.

Now fast forward to movies about UFO saucers of the 1940s and 1950s. That's when people started seeing flying saucers. And how do they look? Just like the technology of that era.

Now we're talking about all sorts of exotic energy, and these UFO aircraft get progressively more and more advanced, in step with our own ideas.

Isn't that suspicious? It should be to any reasoning individual.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by gandaalf

Nice attempt at dodging the issue and jumping to yet something else without addressing the core issue.

The real issue here is that there is no proof of real aliens visiting us. It's that simple. Everything else is just some fluff that you throw to distract from answering the real question.

NASA wasn't even in the discussion until you brought it up.


You people seem to give me deja vu. Once again you are going on about proof and yet you cant even come up with a balanced concept of what proof is?

Ive said time and again, if it was truly about nothing being real without proof you wouldnt believe half of the established scientific "facts" or "theories" because there is no proof.

"Proof" is a word you use as if it has some weight and yet when challenged to show its worth you repeatedly fail. Again, tell me what "proof" means please, and dont tell me the word of known liars constitutes "proof" of anything because ill just laugh.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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Proof:

The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true

The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions

1: Evidence

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2: Validation


What would the Evidence and Validation be for arguments to be Considered worthy within the structure of a debate in regards to Paranormal or Alien Related Material?

I would offer that, pure scientific affirmation is not needed to entertain evidence and that given the nature of the topic matter at hand and difficult.

Evidence can come down to:

Multiple. numerous Eyewitness accounts that can be defined and in some cases even given some grace for benefit of the doubt as Credible

Material evidence in the form of artifacts, photograph, scientific measurement, recorded data lending to a hypothesis, video or audio recording any of which needing to not be able to be completely debunked in that it leaves open at least a real possibility of not being fraud or tampered with.

Genuine measured scientific data that has been affirmed at multiple times in multiple locations by the scientific method and proven to be scientific law

and even, the credible theories of Experts in a field who's testimony on a subject matter would be considered valid within a mainstream academic field, a court of law, or by genuine PRACTICAL lifetime experience in regard to a subject matter and who's insight and knowledge of said subject matter can be expressed as professional beyond a reasonable doubt (we can not in here always verify facts given the anonymous nature of a forum, but professional experience in subject matter can often be expressed and validated by process of communication and obvious validity of matters as verified by other members and or simple obviousness of clear and true understanding legitimate knowledge and practice in a given field i.e. you can determine if someone is actually a doctor via inquisition)

Validation:

Validation, the Holy Grail

I would say that only 10% of posters manage to provide clear evidence and the rest is speculation and often absurdities

Validation, would be defined for these purposes as the accumulation of enough solid evidence as to be able to clearly state that an issue is Fact to a 95% degree of certainty of greater

Validation is the truth of what we seek and it is exceptionally rare that actual validation is ever presented on any subject matter, it is the purpose to aquire and define evidence

which is all that any one is by and large doing when they post, offering evidence to the collective in order that through numbers we can establish Validation

so Validation in a post would be an absurd thing to ask for

The clarity of evidence however or arguments that lead to the capacity to produce evidence are conducive to the purpose where as speculation is provided only for the purpose of defining a realm for within which to produce evidence

speculation posed as evidence and argued upon as fact is counter productive and distracts from the cause of producing evidence with a goal of validation


step 1 is speculation, it is appreciated as food for thought by all

step 2 is evidence, speculation is commonly provided as evidence, I highly doubt that anyone has not or accidentally believes speculation so strongly that they have not in cases offered it as evidence, but continued and repeated offering of speculation as evidence with no genuine evidence provided becomes a trollish behavior

step 3 is gathering enough evidence to offer it as Validation



In the case of Alien Contact, we have Evidence, genuine evidence in the form of massive eye witness accounts, sightings of ufo's and photographs of craft, eyewitness testimony of credible empowered individuals and other items such as govt statements and now, even media acceptance

It could be said, there is enough evidence to Validate that Ufo and abduction phenomena is Valid as a phenomena and that there is strong evidence although perhaps not Validation that beings, commonly known as Greys are involved.


There is NO evidence I have ever seen presented that the "Greys" come from another solar system, travel across stellar boundaries, inhabit a particular star system are in cahoots with any other group of beings, that their ships or technologies are capable of anything more than somewhat advanced Ariel maneuvers or even that they head back even as far as this solar system when they depart.

Everything offered in these realms is pure speculation.

Now

In reference to the debate of Et presence and possibility of being of terrestrial origin vs Interstellar race that has journeyed the cosmos

Evidence exists to the presence of Greys and Ufo's as a starting point, for the sake of debate, we are arriving at a mutual conclusion of Validity of that Evidence

In reference to Interstellar travel, we have zero evidence, none that has ever here or in any thread or anywhere been obtained that offers evidence in any way that these UFo's have traveled from other stars to reach Earth

Evidence of the possibility exists only in scientific theory that wormholes or hyperspace or other faster than light seed movement is even possible

those theories have

A: Never been validated
B: Are not accepted and highly debated within the scientific community
C: Even by the words of those theorists who would be acceptable of credentials, the energy involved would be greater than harnessing the power of a Star

In terms of evidence that a living being could survive those conditions, scientific theory as to how they could make that journey in those conditions or that they could survive it has not been offered in a single scientific theory even that I know of

So evidence of actual interstellar travel having been done or being able to be done does not exist beyond the realm of speculation



For the purposes of my argument

and given evidence of Abductions and presence of craft and HUMANOID beings, I go on what is known and obvious in regards to the evidence.

As Sherlock Holmes would state "Eliminate all that is impossible, whatever remains is the explanation, however improbable."

I would NOT go as far to state that interstellar travel is impossible

But given, a complete lack over 50 + years of any evidence of interstellar travel, the lack of any evidence given the nature and failures of the ships reported as ufo's and no witness accounts of craft that seem capable of making interstellar journeys, that these craft are designed for Terrestrial or at best near Earth only flight

The evidence we use to Validate for the sake of argument UFO phenomena, is evidence that indicates these ships are easily damaged, they fail, contain small crews, there is no energy signature to suggest anything near the capacity to open a worm hole or bend space time in any way shape or form, nor does anything suggest that biologically they could not be Terrestrial beings, that they do look very much like us and seem to operate with motives not dissimilar to our own and physical frailties that suggest mortality one would not expect from a species that has conquered time and space.

With that said

However improbable it may seem that another branch of humanoid exists we are unaware of it becomes the probability given the evidence.

Evidence to the Validity of that argument exists in massive form.

1: The species is Humanoid of characteristics in ways and adaptations that are common in mutated human births

2: The Eyes indicate a species that lives in low light conditions

3: There is historical reference and definitive Evidence to Humans in the recent past having concluded that other men were aliens, g-ds, or otherworldly being given a small discrepancy of technology and lack of knowledge of the totality of Earths geography

4: Manlike species have been found in recent years we are unaware of including a species of Chip that lives like a gorilla yet walks upright like a man in Africa and resembles a Giant Chimp

The Bili Ape


so In this very decade, we are still discovering, Great Ape species, walking within our own environments, Proof that we do not know all Great species on Earth exists and is undenaible

5: Evidence of sub species of Mankind is present in modern times from the pygmies of Africa, to the more recent past Including the Indonesian Hobbits and Neanderthal Mans existence alongside mankind, Bigfoot could be offered as lesser Evidence given the amount of info available, Mutation in Humans is a Fact, Genetic Engineering is now a reality, other Proof would include the indigenous peoples of Australia being genetically different than other humans and Native Americans have an inner ear adaption that allows for the ability to walk without vertigo on tall bridges and other structures

Of Man and Apes Ability to adapt and diversify there is no doubt

6: Most of the Earth remains unexplored, 2/3rds of the earth surface is covered by water, the majority of the crust which is far more voluminous than the surface remains explored only by various microwave technologies that have penetrated deep enough to show there are vast seas and large pockets of space within the crust

7: Life has been shown in recent years to exist from within the deepest caves, to several miles down in impacted dirt and strata, under the ice caps, in the perchlorate contaminated deserts of Peru and in volcanoes and volcanic vents on the ocean floor, there is no environment for all intents and purposes that does not harbor life

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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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8: Government Activity is expressed by proven constant deep earth drilling, all known bases associated with Ufo activity are located underground not on the surface

9: Ufo Activity and Geological activity go hand in hand, I could fill this entire post with evidence from lights within the Earth, activities of the Bermuda Triangle, Admiral Byrds expedition to the south Pole, My Shasta, Untersberg, Von Dainkens Tunnels to which he provides photographic evidence, the highest rates of UFO activity correspond very often to regions where there is Geologic activity

10: Past Govt Interest in the underworld of which Hitler would be the most recent aside from Usa and Russia, major expeditions, control of cave entrances, denial of existence of large caverns, governments take a keen interest in the subject matter, where there are thousands of known underground locations,

we have 1 floundering space station and a rumor of the desire to build a moon base

11: Undeniable via Oil company survey, conditions for large areas under the surface where life could flourish

12: Definitive proof that for a time during the ice ages, mankind lived out of caves to survive on Earth, while it is speculation that some may have continued that existence or adapted to it, it would be upheld by a constant in nature that once an environment is occupied by a species, rarely does it abandon that environment

13: Definitive proof that mankind in the past 100,000 years faced a species crisis in which our population was reduced to very few in numbers is indicated directly from the genome, that whatever the cause for this near extinction event, there is a likely hood that some would have saught shelter in caverns

14: To this day, when disaster looms, it is our natural instinct to seek shelter underground, Underground is an environment that is far safer from surface catastrophe's than the surface itself, more than one professional Biologist has proposed that we may find that most life that survives on other worlds the test of time seeks shelter underground to do so

15: Historical legend and documentation of Groups of Humans going Underground to hidden cities or lairs is a world wide phenomena from the Himalayas to The New World, The Hopi and Navajo insist on the subject in this region here that borders the locations where those like Phil Schneider claim the Greys have contact at Dulce and Area 51, mysteries of the vanishing of whole civilizations like the Anasazi are present in the area where we first encountered ufos

16: it is fact that Roswell happened after the test Underground of the A Bomb, in New Mexico, some would say Hitler had similar contacts, but he too had a fascination of the hidden world

17: Returning beyond legend to cultures going Underground with the conquistadors and the story of Montezuma... and also Mayans who, simply vanished into "tunnels underground" with their civilizations gold to keep it from the Spanish We know these events happened and we know there are vast tunnels through the region and there was never any accounting for the people, let alone the gold

18: We have zero evidence to present that any craft are capable of interstellar flight, but large volumes of information that suggest they often appear from within mountains, or up from the ocean floor

19: Our cultures all contain direct wording of an underworld or hell, or world beneath our feet, there is no misinterpretation that all the ancients believed there to be something bellow us, stories of creatures that come from the depths and in the night to take children, legends of those cast down into the pit, humanoids the Eskimos claim came from the mountains in Alaska that stole people are ripe in every culture

In retrospect, evidence to ancient astronauts aside from the Dogon are vauge, images that appear to be craft but could be something else entirely, legends of wars in the skies and...

a people or race driven underground are always the next component

This indicates if there was...something from the heavens, it left long ago and after having driven something else into the depths of the earth

Given the nature and distance in time, since those legends until now, and the distance in time from the dogon mythos... it would seem that anything that does vist from the skies, in a genuine way, takes long periods of time, for it's return visits, an indication that it is NOT traveling faster than light if it exists at all




I would say in conclusion that Evidence of the Grey association with the Underground is complete but NOT that they lived or evolved there just that there is Evidence that is viable that they are there now and my conclusions as to origins are theory

In a point of theory, my belief is that we actually have been visted before and that whatever the Greys are they live beneath us now and were driven there in the past either by... a space faring race or by Natural Selection

and that at the moment we have nothing visiting us that is from or lives in outer space

If there is truth to Past visitation it seems to me most probable that these aliens cannot surpass the speed of light and journeys between the stars take a very long time because evidence of visitation, what little there is seems to exist in historical periods and isolated encounters that did not repeat themselves

But for the said topic at hand, there is no rush on the behalf of our governments to meet anything in space, nor much funding for the space program which if there was a military threat certainly the funding would be available and certainly they consider anything a possible threat

Rather what we see is extensive and painstaking pursuit of mtn and underground facilities, weapons development into areas that involve ground penetration, and zero by evidence actual attempt to fortify space in an outbound manner

If the Greys and Ufo theory is Valid what we have is a terrestrial threat by evidence regardless of where they originally came from or how they came to be here all indications are that they make their home not in space but beneath our feet and to acquire evidence of said beings and find methods to combat them we need to look at where they are and the kind of technology they display

and that is definitively, underground bases, and craft that are atmospheric primarily and capable of a high degree of maneuverability

The moon is simply not a prime location for defense against this obviously terrestrial menace and most likely a diversion or a reason to arm against targets on earth not space



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 10:16 PM
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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 11:14 PM
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Seems pretty contradictory to put a base on the moon when aliens already have many bases there.

Anyone ever remember about the astronauts that landed on the moon and said they were being watched by massive UFO's from a crater not too far away?

And the Apollo missions were suddenly canceled(if i recall for no really legit reason), which is a hint that we were probably forced to stay away from the Moon by an alien species.

And for defence, I highly doubt the moon would be a good plan. If you think about it, any alien species that has the ability to fly at tremendous speeds in excess of mach10(or mach 100 lol) then it would be SO EASY to wipe out our planet.
***All you need to do is tow a massive meteor using some of the aliens massive spacecrafts(which are supposedly in some cases miles long), sling that thing straight at earth and watch the fire works.

I mean, you don't even need any explosives or "death rays" to take out the planet, you literally only need mass(in this case an asteriod made of rock or some other material)

So I would safely say that "if" we were even considering a war with an alien species, there would be no chance for us if they really wanted to take us out, they just need to tow a massive asteriod straight at earth going as fast as they can and then release it


BUT! I bet anything that if there are aliens visiting us, and some of them are peaceful and some of them are hostile, then you can guarantee they do not wish to "wipe out" the entire planet. This planet is probably a rare type of planet that can harbor so much life, they would rather take over the planet than destroy it.

I mean thats like saying china wants to take out the USA with nukes, they don't. Why nuke the crap out of a country and make all the land unusable for "X" number of years, it would be a total waste(because china would only attack us for our resources and land, they have no other need to attack us for)

There is no sense in completely wiping out a planet when you can take it over and use it for yourself. My guess is that they are already using it to mine and collect materials or water(yea, water is actually that important lol). Apparently gold was their key element because of its properties, no wonder everyone considers gold so valuable.

I mean, gold really shouldn't be a "currency" or have any "value". Why you ask? Well its simple.... why would you be willing to give people goods or services that aid them in their life in return for some gold which pretty much ANYONE can go and find somewhere on this planet. Gold in my opinion can be used for nothing that is essential for a human being to live, absolutely nothing(other than trading, which again doesn't make sense when anyone can go out and find gold in nature). Basically gold is a form of value that cannot be regulated, hell there is probably "quadrillions upon quadrillions" of pounds of gold on this planet that is locked away deep within the earths outer and inner crust. So why give is such high value when it can be acquired without any regulation? (remember the gold rush anyone?)

Which brings me to my point; gold is only valuable because we were fascinated by alien races thousands of years ago, and they really desired "gold" for reasons other than currency(aka space travel or some other technology, gold is very useful in those terms). So human beings, being the great "mimickers" of this planet, decided that gold should be a trading currency because he who has lots of "gold" can use it to "woo" the "gods" (aka aliens), and we just thought gold had value because all the god's(aka aliens) desire for it was so great.


So, if you take into account the motivation behind the aliens and their desire to visit our planet, you can determine that their intention is not to kill everyone on the planet, but rather to collect gold and other extremely useful materials. This is the only reason for a war, because WE would be willing to protect and secure our resources

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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by gandaalf
Did you ever notice how people started talking about UFO abductions and visitations only recently, meaning in the last 100 years? War of the Worlds was written when, in 1898? Did you notice some of the original artwork for it? It reflected the technology that people had back then.

Now fast forward to movies about UFO saucers of the 1940s and 1950s. That's when people started seeing flying saucers. And how do they look? Just like the technology of that era.

Now we're talking about all sorts of exotic energy, and these UFO aircraft get progressively more and more advanced, in step with our own ideas.

Isn't that suspicious? It should be to any reasoning individual.


Thats a seriously flawed statement. Actually alien abductions go all the way back to the earliest civilisations. Many societies have stories of being "carried off by the gods" or "swept up in chariots to the sky". In fact almost every known culture which left us anything to read has some reference to this type of event, they also have reference to people from the skies, people coming down in craft or chariots from above. Everything we have no, was in ancient history long ago.

Some civilisations built their entire culture around such beliefs.

So no, its not suspicious because its not accurate and as a reasoning indivudual you should gather a deeper insight before making a judgment I feel.

The concept of life from other worlds, or from above, or coming down in strange craft has been around as long as civilisation itself. A reasonable person might suggest THAT is the strange coincidence.

Im sure the mayans, aztecs and egyptians for example didnt see War of the Worlds. The mayans knew astronomy inside out, and upside down well before their time.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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You are spot on, a forward base is towards the front of a combat theatre!



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:39 AM
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I am just blown away at everyones posts.
Great job everyone. You all have given me alot to think about and I am very glad I started this thread. This has been truely enlightening.
I am wondering more and more now, IF (as mentioned) greys havn't been here all along.

It seems to me that they are obviously from a low light environment(caves) due to the size of their eyes. alos, it does make sense that ufo activity has increased ever since we tested the a bomb.

As far as alien life, we are in danger of doing what all people do.
Label it good or bad, black or white,friend or enemy, and it may be that the answer is both or neither.







What I do believe (and I don't believe in much) is that we will all find out real soon.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by Geoff Capes

Explain to me the advantage of having a base on the moon.


HE3 Unlimited fusion energy... 25 tons would power the USA for one year. There are over a trillion metric tonnes just 'lying around' up there

Any other reason is a cover story



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:17 AM
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Yep, absolutely. HE3 would be a huge motivator for energy use provided you can build a system to transport it back and forth economically.

There is actually a fantastic manga (Japanese graphic novel for the uninitiated) series called PLANETES that covers the topic in a fairly realistic way. Mining of HE3, building a mining ship to go to Jupiter to establish HE3 mining there, and trash collectors with the unenviable job of having to mop up all the loose bits of flying debris to keep traffic to the moon and back to Earth from getting wasted by a stray solar panel. Good stuff.


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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 02:23 AM
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This is just another way of keeping the Military industrial Complex a rollin. Does Bush believe in UFO's ? Probably. Does he think they are a threat to us? I doubt it. When the war on terror is but a memory, whats the next big threat?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 03:35 AM
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So like I said, any moon base setup would most likely be built to position themselves to be first in line for mining/exploration.

It would also make sense to build a military base to defend any rich resource deposits and to 'aquire' resources from competitors.

If there are aliens, and they do fly in conventional space then a base could also keep an eye on them there.

Just because a species is capable of interstellar travel, it doesn't mean that they possess weapons. Maybe they are a hippie type species that believe in love and all that jazz?
We base our assumptions of of our own inclinations.

Then again, they could be as destructive and crazy as we are and decide that if we want to play ball, they are gonna play for keeps.

The whole alien aspect is a nice idea to play with, but until there is 100% concrete evidence, it will always be a 'what if'.

The more I think about this situation, the more sense it makes as a corporate agenda. Corporations have a mandate to make profit, no matter the toll on the environment or people involved. Rare minerals and possibly new fuel sources would mean a whole new gold rush. Only in space.

EDIT - spellings -

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posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by silver6ix

Originally posted by gandaalf
Did you ever notice how people started talking about UFO abductions and visitations only recently, meaning in the last 100 years? War of the Worlds was written when, in 1898? Did you notice some of the original artwork for it? It reflected the technology that people had back then.

Now fast forward to movies about UFO saucers of the 1940s and 1950s. That's when people started seeing flying saucers. And how do they look? Just like the technology of that era.

Now we're talking about all sorts of exotic energy, and these UFO aircraft get progressively more and more advanced, in step with our own ideas.

Isn't that suspicious? It should be to any reasoning individual.


Thats a seriously flawed statement. Actually alien abductions go all the way back to the earliest civilisations. Many societies have stories of being "carried off by the gods" or "swept up in chariots to the sky". In fact almost every known culture which left us anything to read has some reference to this type of event, they also have reference to people from the skies, people coming down in craft or chariots from above. Everything we have no, was in ancient history long ago.

Some civilisations built their entire culture around such beliefs.

So no, its not suspicious because its not accurate and as a reasoning indivudual you should gather a deeper insight before making a judgment I feel.

The concept of life from other worlds, or from above, or coming down in strange craft has been around as long as civilisation itself. A reasonable person might suggest THAT is the strange coincidence.

Im sure the mayans, aztecs and egyptians for example didnt see War of the Worlds. The mayans knew astronomy inside out, and upside down well before their time.


Implying perhaps a lack of knowledge on the part of Gandaalf in terms of the ET theory.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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In reality, the fact that we are here, on a rock in space, existing, and the fact that we have found life in the most extreme enviroments imaginable, and the fact that there are Billions of Galaxies, each housing Billions of stars, may not PROVE that there is life other than us, however, that stat alone I believe, shifts the main burden of proof to those who say aliens dont exist, we are living proof that life is meant to exist and progress.

My own leaning is that yes, aliens exist, because we exist.
We are them they are us.



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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Utter nonsense. The least the anchor could have done was to not wear a clip-on bowtie that continually reminded me of Pee-Wee Herman.

Forward bases on the moon? Maybe if we were musing about long-future planetary defensive measures... but to insinuate that Bush plans to start a war with Aliens? He may have quite a bit of the old grey-matter damaged from his coke binging years, but I would hope that even he is smart enough to know that if Aliens do ever decide to visit our planet - and their intentions are malicious - then there's not a damned thing we could do to stop them. The only thing a Moon-Base could possibly offer is maybe an early warning system so that you'd have enough time to kiss your butt goodbye before H.G. Wells gets moved to the non-fiction section of the library.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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I believe e.t.'s are here and out their. Our governments leaders would try to hold on to their powers rather than make worldwide change even if the e.t.'s are friendly and the changes were positive for the people. Go to youtube and type in hollow earth and do as much research as you possibly can. Perhaps some of these articles will open your mind as to why all our governments worldwide hold us as hostage's as to not loose their power of control, not what might be right but what they need to remain in that position of power and control. Did you know that the apollo 14 mission actually filmed structure on the moon but our governments don't want the populas to know because we the people might get idea's of our own and rock the system as it is today. The film is on the net for all too see all you have to do is look at it and decide for yourself what our governments are hiding from all of us and why they choose to keep this information from the good people of Mother Earth. It's greed and power baby just greed and power. How nice it would be to live in a world of peace and love wher people say hello to each other rather than look away. People helping people for free not for money.



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