That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept.

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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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After reading the thread titled, Window of Opportunity by a member named Hidden-Hand/Hidden_Hand, I became curious on where his concepts derived from. This curiousity led me to the Law of One material which is also known as the Ra material/channelings. [Sidenote: The full transcript of these channelings can be found here, www.lawofone.info...] The basic concept brought about through these channelings [I will summarize very, and I stress, very briefly as there is an abundance of information raised. However, I plan on focusing on just one of the concepts mentioned.] is that everything is one and the same. To quote "You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation,.."; this concept states that this is so because because of '',...the complete unity of thought, which binds all things."


So with that said, can the following statement be proven to be true?: "That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept."-as quoted from the below mentioned source. So, true or false? and why?


Source for all quotes:www.lawofone.info... [This material is dated back to January 15th 1981 being the earliest and first of the channelings]

I very much encourage the reading of the channelings as that they are a very informative read and are abundant with information.



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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 09:37 PM
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The answer is both true and false because, by its nature, infinity encompasses all things, known and unknown. Any definition of it is merely a sliver of its existence because any definition is finite by nature. But that doesn't preclude it. Quite the opposite. Infinity is all-inclusive. It is the one, the many and the merely a few



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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Cool thread
This is actually very much inline with what I think is so.

namely


is that everything is one and the same. To quote "You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation,.."; this concept states that this is so because because of '',...the complete unity of thought, which binds all things."



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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by agent violet
So with that said, can the following statement be proven to be true?: "That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept."-as quoted from the below mentioned source. So, true or false? and why?


I don't believe the existence of finite things within an infinite system is a violation of infinity on a superficial level, but ultimately through the unity that is infinity, all things are eternal and therefore there is no finite.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 09:49 PM
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The way that I have solved this paradox is like this. We are comprised of, I don't know, quintillions of atoms, billions of cells, millions of tissues, multiple organs, and systems. Yet we are one human being. It's all a matter of perspective. Their are levels of truth if you will.

I think the same thing goes on until you reach the whole cosmos. Why should it stop with us? I think this is the error most people seem to make. Their are people out their that support the 'theory' of Gaia, or the living, whole entity of mother earth. Right on, but why stop there? Everything and everyone is interconnected at source. All is one, and yet we are all here, having these experiences.

Perhaps a cell is alive and well, and unable to grasp that they are part of a larger community that supersedes their limited perceptive abilities. How are we, on a whole, any different?

So while the ultimate truth may be that we are the infinity, on a mundane level we are also here. We can learn much from these amazing POV's, but as far as I have experienced, we are still here and must make due with this existance.

If you are asking if we could possibly be here at all, being this great infinite being, I ask you is a cell here even though we seem to supersede it?

I don't know that we can logically compare the infinite and the finite, we can only grow through finding similarities.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by agent violet
So with that said, can the following statement be proven to be true?: "That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept."-as quoted from the below mentioned source. So, true or false? and why?


I will answer you question with what I felt was the most important quote in all of the Law of One text:

"Consciousness is a microcosm of oneness."

Begin to grasp this concept and all the answers one could ever want can be discovered. I always believed that everything is a reflection of you. After pondering this, it really came to fruition for me.

I believe the concept can only be fully realized in the higher dimensions, the seventh to be specific. Ra stated that at the time of the text, they would be in the sixth dimension for approximately 2 million human years longer. In this time until graduation, they were there to ponder and further understand the Law of One.

I only know of a couple people that have read the entire text. If there is any other part of the text you'd like to discuss, I'd be happy to do that as well. It is my most enlightening read to date.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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Thank you kindly everyone.

Universal Light,

I chose this thread title for a particular reason and the reason is this: Ra states that, "that which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept", thus I am curious as to why then [if this is indeed true] would he during later channelings refer to things as such;

"The third density has an infinite number of levels."[17.35]
-Thus were the thread title to be true, than wouldn't that mean that the third density has only one level. Correct? If not, than it seems like his usage of the word 'infinite' varies from session to session and contexts.

Overall, the material as a whole is most enjoyable and enlightening.

Please, if your interested do ask some questions or make some comments about the parts that interest you. As will I, if you'd like.

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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:21 AM
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Thank you for replying.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but according to the law of one, the known and the unknown and all that is between is but the same thing. There isn't a distortion that makes these things individual, for they are all the embodiment of one/one-ness. So since, [and again correct me if I'm wrong] all of these things are one, then everything that makes up what one conceptualizes to be infinity, is one thing as well. Right? So no matter how many things are put into the 'Infinity' they all equal one. Therefore Infinity must equal one. Or no?



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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Space is infinite, matter is not.

One line for well-placed rhetorical dynamite.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:27 AM
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Very far out. You propose that there is only infinity and that there is no finite-ness.

So why don't/do you think that the infinite can encompass the finite?

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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by pluckynoonez
Space is infinite, matter is not.

One line for well-placed rhetorical dynamite.


Matter is neither created nor destroyed, so it too is infinite, forever.

Not one line because I willingly sit on lit dynamite



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by pluckynoonez
Space is infinite, matter is not.

One line for well-placed rhetorical dynamite.




The Future


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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:40 AM
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Plucky thanks for responding.

But if I'm not mistaken, the Ra material states that "You are infinite." Thus if we are made of matter, would matter not be infinite as well?

Edit to add: Thanks Traveler, same idea. Matter has to be infinite, I think.

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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:48 AM
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I'm not following your discrepancy.


Originally posted by agent violet
"The third density has an infinite number of levels."[17.35]


This holds true. I do find it interesting that they call them levels here where as the rest of the text, they are referred to as octaves.


Originally posted by agent violet
-Thus were the thread title to be true, than wouldn't that mean that the third density has only one level. Correct?
[edit on 10/28/2008 by agent violet]


In the thread title, they are explaining what is finite and what is not. I don't believe the two correlate. But you must understand that zero and infinity are in fact one in the same. So in a sense, the definition of infinity does change due to its oneness. The thing is they do use discrepancies to distinguish the difference within certain subjects.

Please correct me if I am answering the wrong question though.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:58 AM
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I hope you don't mind my speaking outside the knowledge of the "Law of One". My apologies, but I haven't read it. But I think you have it, as I understand it.

As you said, no matter how many things we put into infinity, it is still equal to one.

What we perceive as separation is just a perception.

The yin-yang is a perfect, simple illustration. Infinity is the whole, infinite circle. Within it, the opposing forces of creation and destruction, matter and energy. Within those, every possibility.



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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 01:04 AM
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It can easily be understood (for me at least) under the umbrella of the wave/particle duality.

Wave = Infinite
Particle = Finite

Notes in a song = particle
Song itself = wave

DNA Strand = Wave
DNA Components (ATCG) = Particle

Everything falls under this same duality including ourselves. The point that Hidden Hand was trying to get across was that we may exist separately (particle) but are actions are still tied to a collective (wave). Until we as a collective become aware of this rich interconnectedness (syncro-mysticism) we will continue to disobey the golden rule (do unto others etc..) Without the awareness of the wave, its hard to realize that screwing your fellow man indirectly screws yourself.

Peace







[edit on 28-10-2008 by TheRealDonPedros]





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