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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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Sounds like a blatantly agressive thread but this is an attempt to show hat Obama believes in the basic tenents of marxism as a way to modify America which he sees as a "broken" country.

According to ANSWERS.COM...


Marx wrote far more about capitalism than about the society that would follow the proletarian revolution. He made it clear, however, that he expected the revolution of the working class to socialize the means of production and create a dictatorship of the proletariat. That dictatorship would be the workers' state, but its existence would be temporary, as society moved from the first, transitional phase of communism to the higher phase, in which the full potential of communism would be realized, so that class differences would have disappeared, the state would have died off, and each person would contribute to society according to personal ability and receive material benefits according to need.


Match this to his 2001 interview...

Obama on redistribution (transcript of 2001 interview)




OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.


But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.


You need to ask yourself...

Do you want a Marxist America?

If you do...great. Be proud and accept that others disagree.

If you don't, great. Be proud and accept that others disagree.

But do not kid yourself. Obama is and always was a Marxist. He "chose his friends carefully."




posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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I'm going to give you a star and a flag for the coming Benevolent Beat Down you are about to receive. Good Luck!



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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The dictatorship of the proletariat is democracy. It's an elected dictatorship, by the proletariat in the main (say 80%) and the elite in the minority (say 20%).

Asking what a government can do for it's people is barely Communist, it's Christian (or for you Muslim).

Redistribution is not Communist, maybe Socialist, but in Britain also Conservative.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Margaret Thatcher would respectfully disagree that redistribution is Conservative. She successfully started the disassembly of Socialist Britain.

America is an "incomplete" nation that the founding fathers birthed wrongly.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by crmanager
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Margaret Thatcher would respectfully disagree that redistribution is Conservative. She successfully started the disassembly of Socialist Britain.


Yeah, but she ain't in power now, was a product of her time, and the Conservative Party has declared itself to be the party of redistribution. What that all means we will find out at the General Election when Brown's time is up.

[EDIT] Dealing withthe dismantling of Socialist Britain, you need to realise that we were mentally still hanging onto the grandiosity of having an empire and it all got to be a very corrupt form of Socialism as attested by the Winter of Discontent in 1978 when people weren't even getting buried. So she dismantled it, and Labour had to reform. Then the Conservatives had to reform.

[edit on 27-10-2008 by redled]



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Please....

It's always about tax redistribution. Sometimes to the military/industrial or the corpratracracy.

And sometimes it's to rebuild the infrastructure or social programs.

It's not Marxist or socialist, it's America.

But keep up the negative campaigning; it's working great so far.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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It appears by that quote in the original post that Marxism has quite lofty expectations. i would love the true communist world that Marx invisions. It is the closest thing to utopia that any politician has ever envisioned. Ufortunately the world population is still filled with petty jealousy and the inane tendency to want to dominate over others.

If Obama is a marxist, all the power to him.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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I believe this thread might be going against the policies laid out in the new rule regarding election politics and political candidates.

please review this here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 07:40 PM
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Do you consider it your job to police the site Herr Goebles?



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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Are you speaking from the anti-liberal arm of fascism? Haven't you noticed that free thinking americans are speaking their minds with their votes?



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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The "work ethic" is officialy dead.

Work hard for your fellow man. So that he can sit on his butt.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by crmanager
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Do you consider it your job to police the site Herr Goebles?


No, but I am in love with the new rule they implemented, and would like to see one of my favorite sites be less bogged down by political rhetoric.

I remind people of this rule as a way to keep people on target...



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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Thank you for keeping my mind clear Dr.

I will take your advice to heart. Please let all the rest of us know of any future failings.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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If Obama wins I am one of the lucky few that will have my tax increased. I hope it saves someone's life in a hospital, or helps a kid that grows up in a poor family go to college. It certainly will be better there than turned into vapor cash on the stock market.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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reply to post by Xeven
 


Here is an interesting thought. You write a big fat check to Uncle Sam to alleviate your guilt and leave my money alone.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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The Staff will handle this, please do not post any further off topic posts, it only ADS to the issue you are trying to avoid.


Springer...



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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It is not negative to voice opposition to a viewpoint contrary to what you feel to be right. A quick look through history will let you know that only two ways of doing things within a society have proven succesful-Democracy & Capitolism, period! There are numerous parts of our world that still strive to achieve this utopia of which you speak, why dont you go there for a couple of decades and report back!



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:32 AM
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To the World:

Watch real closely how Americans vote, and how they demonise someone with a chance at a good change, and how they bow to the current evil regime.

Watch real carefully. Because when you think the "American government is evil next time"......It will have been the choice of the people, therefore making Americans THE REAL ONES TO BLAME.

WE deserve everything that is coming to us, AND MORE.


Just remember this.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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Marxism does not work. Prsperous sicieties are ones that are allowed to flourish. Maxism assumes (wrongly) that all people are equal in their abilities to succeed. This is a falsehood. In society, each person desires to better their life through hard work, and effort. Wealth that is accumulated is the just reward.

However, there are those who do not want to work, nor are they ambitious to do the hard work neccesary to achieve. These people deserve their state of living.

The nation has moved from the discriminations of the past. The "playing field" is now equal. Educuation is available to all. If you can't make it in the American society you have only yourself to blame. Taxation is mandated to operate the government only, not provide a welfare state.

Marxism is doomed to utter failure every time.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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No, but I am in love with the new rule they implemented, and would like to see one of my favorite sites be less bogged down by political rhetoric.

I remind people of this rule as a way to keep people on target...


Oh god the irony. A guy with a "stop asking questions" banner is clamoring to shut up anyone he disagrees with. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.


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Watch real carefully. Because when you think the "American government is evil next time"......It will have been the choice of the people, therefore making Americans THE REAL ONES TO BLAME.


Here we go with the ATS trolling. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is evil! anyone who doesn't vote Obama is evil AND racist!

People like you are what is tearing this country apart.


[edit on 29-10-2008 by Marcus Calpurnius]






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