posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:24 AM
By the way (and I don't mean to take over the post, it's just that I have been very interested in this topic of voter fraud and how it's used in
the political game for a very long time and so have lots of thoughts and to say about it) I starred and flagged your thread. I wanted to bring up
that the lady the News Max magazine article referenced has her own website www.lynettelong.com and you can look on there and find out more about her
and her work on the topic.
What struck me about her work, is first, she doesn't go into the caucus process much and how it actually works. I mean I don't think it's the same
thing as comparing exit polling data to an actual election...with the caucus you have a tiny subset of the people who get to gather and try and compel
each other to move over to their side...it could actually be that one candidates views were more compelling. But why can't we just have elections;
I'm not for caucusing at all personally. Another thing, is when you go to caucus you don't just show up and enter the room. YOu have to verify
that you are the same as the one on the name roster and then sign under penelty of purgery that you are that person. Generally the election worker
asks your name and adress then runs down the list and finds it. It's difficult to imagine how a bus full of "african american high school
students" from out of state as she said, could come in with all of that information into a small pricinct and it magically all come together with
everyone knowing exactly who they are and where they live, asuming it's bogus??? I mean that just doesn't make any sense. And my long standing
point has been that when researchers actually look into fraud issues and study how this plays out, they find very very very little instances of people
showing up misrepresenting themselves. Thus, I continue to be highly skeptical.
Also she sites a bus with out of state plates, and that doesn't really prove anything except that the bus company licensed the bus somewhere else;
something not at all uncomon in the industry. Moreover, Obama's campaign headquarters was in Illinois, so it is quite possible that the bus was
rented in Illinois and then brought into Iowa to pick up folks who didn't have transportation to get to the polls, something also not uncommon, nor
illigal, in elections.
Basically all I read was a lot of eyebrow raising material, and a bunch of here say and innuendo, but would like more definitive proof. She says at
one point the alleged fraud was investigated by federal authorities but that nothing happened. Ok, well why not then? No evidence, or very little is
made that shows any criminal conviction, or court rulings deciding on a case etc... Also, what about any stories of fraud that may have occurred
allegedly by Clinton staff? Come on, the article is in News Max (not at all a leftist media outlet, nor even a moderate one by most people's
standards), and they paint it up like Hillary supporters are squeaky clean angels, but aren't they democrats too? Surely, if the message they would
like spread is that the democrats cheat in elections, how come nothing on Clinton campaign? Allegations generally fly on both sides of a campaign,
and seldom does anything become of it.
What I see mostly in the courts are cases whereby they want a thousand here, or 10,000 there voters removed from the rolls, or ballots discarded.
This tells me that the 8 hundred pound gorilla is in the caging and purging activities.
Anyway, if you can find more on this or run across any follow up data, Rooster, I would enjoy reading about it. No fraud anywhere should be
tolerated. If they can prove it, it needs to be prosecuted, and I would think if it were on a massive scale as Lynette suggested, that the Clinton
campaign legal team if they believed they could have proven it, would have been all over it, and yet do we see this? Perhaps it was like Kerry in
Ohio back in '04...he actually called his legal dogs off...I don’t' understand why they do this if they [politicians] believe that massive fraud
has taken place, do you?
Finally, what I would have liked to read in the News Max article was some second sources that could verify what Lynette stated. Also more information
from a variety of players in the polls such as follow up interviews with some of the so called "eye witnesses" with their names stated. Also more
legal team quotes and questioning. This article just doesn't read well in that it's very one sided with little substance backing it up except for
the whole farm riding on this one Lynette long and her once vested interest in a one Hillary Clinton, who isn't talking publically about any of this
and who is in fact throwing her full support behind Barack Obama, and out stumping for him as we speak!
[edit on 29-10-2008 by skyshow]