ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama, page 9

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reply posted on 28-10-2008 @ 04:15 PM by LogicalExplanation

reply to post by Sheridan

Sheridan what's most hilarious about the term "Nazi" as it's used these days, is that it's usually used in reference to something that real Nazis never would have done any way.

Like how people call John McCain or Obama "nazis", when in reality they are quite opposite, and are in bed with Israel for instance. I don't think the real Nazis really liked Israel (or what would go on to become the state of Israel).

reply posted on 28-10-2008 @ 04:19 PM by Sheridan

reply to post by LogicalExplanation

That's my point. The word lost it's real meaning. Good for fear mongering, good for manipulation, but it doesn't have the same meaning in the 21st century, than in the past. And it's also not covering the truth. In the 21st century, it's just one commonly and wrongly used label out of the thousands, nothing more.

[edit on 28-10-2008 by Sheridan]

reply posted on 28-10-2008 @ 04:31 PM by andy1033

reply to post by LogicalExplanation

When people call them nazis, they may not mean same as the german type. Nazi means national socialist, a form of socialism. You may see that people, may mean it that way, and does not really need to be black or white.

reply posted on 28-10-2008 @ 04:50 PM by sos37

Well, I have also heard the word 'Nazi' used to describe someone who adamantly obeys and enforces the rules. Also, it's been used to describe someone who is just a bully. The Seinfeld 'Soup Nazi' episode comes to mind.

reply posted on 28-10-2008 @ 05:20 PM by ZindoDoone

reply to post by sos37

The use of 'Nazi' to portray an individual who is a controlling idiot is one thing. The use of the term in the context of these individuals is that they adhere to the context of the Nazi party of Germany in WW2. They revere Hitler and pledge to live by his example. If thats not being a Nazi, then those that state otherwiset are more deluded than previously stated.

Zindo

reply posted on 28-10-2008 @ 09:55 PM by DimensionIntrusion

B.S..... Skin heads with a full head of hair !!! These imbeciles are not capable of anything. Look at their plan . Wearing white tuxedos they intended to behead fourteen people . Assuming they managed this successfully and without getting splattered in blood they then wanted to go on a shooting spree , still in white tuxedos , and with out getting caught make their way to where Obama would be. Obviously all the Police activity & media coverage of this shooting spree would not affect Obamas schedule. No one would notice a Truck with a Swastika scratched on or the imaculate Tuxedo Boys hurtling at full speed towards them with rifles poking out the windows and Dodging the bullets of the bodyguards they would mange to shoot Obama dead with a couple of shots. Whilst high on Meth !!!!!....sterady , steady dont panic .....
What utter BS.

These cretins will be found to be on SSRI's & will have been tutored by , in the company of or infiltrated by a black op.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 01:21 AM by Teeky

reply to post by David9176

Why would people riot if Obama looses? I see people rioting if Obama wins.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 01:48 AM by verylowfrequency

The ATF is a bunch of FOS hillbilly's that should of been disbanded after their debacle at WACO. I'm surprised they didn't have to call papa FBI for help like they did at WACO after they got their butts kicked by a bunch of kids. Every time I see replays of their raid at Waco and I see those hillbilly's falling off the roof after being shot I have to let out a big Woo whooo. Hallelujah!! Let the enemies of the people fall.

I don't believe a word the ATF says. All they're looking for is publicity so they can attempt to justify their continued existence.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by verylowfrequency]

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 02:02 AM by Teeky

reply to post by Doom and Gloom

Damn that's a f'd up statement. I really want to know why there is so much hatred? What purpose does it serve? I guess hatred keeps the majority in power. It is very interesting that people want it to be a race war. I think the government and the NWO is a better target, but it's easier to attack a small percentage of the total population. White people would surely win being that they are majority in the states. It's kind of like misdirected anger. You could kill all the non whites off but your government would still be out of control.
And in response to any racist comments: I love you too

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reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 04:14 AM by TruthTellist

Originally posted by Sheridan

That's my point. The word lost it's real meaning. Good for fear mongering, good for manipulation, but it doesn't have the same meaning in the 21st century, than in the past. And it's also not covering the truth. In the 21st century, it's just one commonly and wrongly used label out of the thousands, nothing more.

And excellent point Sir! I have found a photographic representation analogous to your words;

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 04:54 AM by GamerGal

reply to post by TruthTellist

Guy looks like he may be Hindu. The Swastika is four Ls, Luck, Life, Liberty, and Love in Hinduism.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 07:11 AM by TruthTellist

reply to post by GamerGal

That's nice and all, but that's not the reality of the situation.

If a white person would go to the mall in that shirt, it wouldn't mean any of those things.

It isn't about who's wearing it - it is a known symbol of hate.

Let's not nit-pick with historical factoids - We all know what the Swastika Symbolizes. Nazism, hatred, skinheads etc...

...so to say it is OK for a hindu to wear the swastika and not a white man is blatant racist discrimination on your part.

"four Ls, Luck, Life, Liberty, and Love in Hinduism. "

: You are just arguing for the sake of it.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 07:21 AM by GamerGal

reply to post by TruthTellist

If a Skinhead wears it it means hate. If a person who follows Hinduism wears it it means Love, Life, Liberty, and Luck. Kind of like a cross means nothing if an Atheist wears it but it means a lot to a person who is a Christian. Although I doubt an atheist would wear it...

[edit on 29-10-2008 by GamerGal]

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:11 AM by Helmkat

Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by GamerGal

That's nice and all, but that's not the reality of the situation.

If a white person would go to the mall in that shirt, it wouldn't mean any of those things.

It isn't about who's wearing it - it is a known symbol of hate.

Let's not nit-pick with historical factoids - We all know what the Swastika Symbolizes. Nazism, hatred, skinheads etc...

...so to say it is OK for a hindu to wear the swastika and not a white man is blatant racist discrimination on your part.

"four Ls, Luck, Life, Liberty, and Love in Hinduism. "

: You are just arguing for the sake of it.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

Gamer is correct, that particular symbol has more meaning then just the one most Americans know. That many instantly leap to the fear/Nazi/Hitler connection just points out our general lack worldview beyond our own "American" reality.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by Helmkat]

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:21 AM by TruthTellist

reply to post by Helmkat

Would you ever wear the shirt in the picture I posted?

No. you wouldn't. Now go ahead and disagree just for the heck of it....

*I'm placing you and Gamergal on ignore. Both of you: Please don't reply to me as I won't be able to see it, or offer a rebuttal.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:24 AM by Karlhungis

Am I the only one that keeps glancing at this title thinking it reads "ATS says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama "

Then I think... "come on now, aren't we getting a little full of ourselves?"

Then I realize what it really says.

Sorry, it is late.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:27 AM by GamerGal

reply to post by TruthTellist

I'm not Hindu. Neither is the other guy who is trying to tell you what it means. But if a person of the Hindu faith wore it it would mean something different. Again, an athiest wears a cross it means... nothing. A Christian wears it and it means a lot more then nothing.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:31 AM by jibeho

[edit on 29-10-2008 by TruthTellist]

Gamer is correct, that particular symbol has more meaning then just the one most Americans know. That many instantly leap to the fear/Nazi/Hitler connection just points out our general lack worldview beyond our own "American" reality.

[edit on 29-10-2008 by Helmkat]

You keep referring to Americans here. Don't forget what the symbol means to the Europeans who faced the Nazis head on in their homes and backyards.

Yes, it is an ancient symbol with deeper meaning, unfortunately it will never be remembered like that again. Imagine if Hitler emblazened everything with the Christian Cross.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:35 AM by Doom and Gloom

reply to post by Teeky

I am not a racist. My wife is black. I am white. I love and respect my in-laws as much as I do my own family. The fact that people in today's society feel we owe a debt to another race is the racism. The white people have a guilt that is unvalidated. We are all equals and should behave as such.

reply posted on 29-10-2008 @ 08:36 AM by jibeho

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by TruthTellist

I'm not Hindu. Neither is the other guy who is trying to tell you what it means. But if a person of the Hindu faith wore it it would mean something different. Again, an athiest wears a cross it means... nothing. A Christian wears it and it means a lot more then nothing.

Anyone with any degree of common sense and anyone who has read just a snip it of modern history would know what the symbol means in today's society. To wear it in public only invites trouble and debate regardless of faith. Some may just stare and others will confront you. My grandfather who liberated two Nazi concentration camps would confront you even if you are Hindu.

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