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ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama

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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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Well isn't all of this convenient? Just as convenient as the Bin Laden tape that came ou during the 2004 election.

I know that some would think it despicable and that we conspiracy theorists are making up excuses for these guys. Me personally, I'm not, if it's true, convict them and punish them to the extent of the law.

But I myself can't help but feel right now, like detective Finch in "V for Vendetta" when he approached his most close friend and colleague and asked if maybe it was all a lie, that the terrorists, even though they "confessed" to being responsible for a big plague epidemic, perhaps they were just a scapegoat used by our own govt. Would you want to know the truth, if it meant knowing that your own govt. had become your own worse enemy?

I'm sorry, but I find this series of events too "coincidental" and a man like myself does not believe in coincidences.




posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:44 PM
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I know two skinheads very well who are supporting Barack Obama in this election because they think he is the better candidate. These are indeed interesting times.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 11:53 PM
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You know what *I* find fascinating? The fact that had the headline read "ATF disrupts militant muslim plot to assisinate McCain" each and every one of you would be saying Obama himself planned it! Either way, you all blame Obama and the democrats. White Republican's can simply do no wrong, right? How about just buck up and admit that there may be so crazies out there like this. It DOES NOT reflect on ALL REPUBLICANS. I know that's hard for you guys who paint every Democrat with the same broad brush to believe.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:28 AM
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"I just had to reply to this message board due to the high level of bigotry abound. I read more than a few messages stating that the Obama camp propagated this event in order to secure the election."

I'm not quite sure what you meant by this. Especially considering I technically argued both sides of the fence.

If you are saying that there is a high amount of bigotry in this thread, I agree. But if you are telling me, for any reason (maybe that you believe I'm bigotted myself), that Obama didn't use this to his advantage, I would argue that point.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:48 AM
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This does look like a propaganda distribution as the timing is too close to the election.

When have skin heads organized such a plan? Since the KKK was sued in Federal court and lost their assets, these groups have been more careful about violence. Now they mostly promote their cause and prepare for the coming race war but they don't usually initiate such a plot. Sounds suspicious.




posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 01:15 AM
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This is propaganda?

Wow.

You people are so goddamn ignorant, it's not even funny anymore.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 01:23 AM
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It is a bit weird that this assassination report comes out now but it seems par for the course in the US elections. Should you expect anything less when you look at the previous two election debacles. I guess time will tell how exaggerated or accurate the reports are.

I think there will be trouble after the election results no matter who wins. You guys are far too divided. The hatred I see on this forum from both sides of the fence is very disturbing. I'm glad I live in Australia!

IRM



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 01:54 AM
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I don't think this story was concocted to divide more people....i think it's the real deal. If you look at the videos everywhere of the brainwashed knuckledraggers who represent the majority of mccain supporters, this kind of thing does not surprise me in the least. those same biggoted dullards who either hate obama because he's a "socialist", a "nig*er", or an "a-rab", are probably applauding these two pieces of garbage as friggin' heroes.

Now, let's not get it twisted, i don't like either candidate, i think we're screwed either way, and i'm sure the election is rigged, and it'll be McSenile, and Caribou Barbie in '09...but if you pay attention to the videos, and you see and acknowledge the outright ignorance, and hatred these people demonstrate against the man, this really does not come as a surprise.

the true divisiveness lies in things like religion, political parties, economic classes, and my personal favorite non-existent divisive; "race". These things are deliberately designed to breed division in people, and generate hatred, and conflict.

We are all americans, and more importantly, we are all humans...nothing else matters. Until everyone can wake up, see that, and stop the petty BS, we will be doomed to continue as we are, until none are left.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 01:57 AM
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stop the montgums before they get to the good guys. we know the difference.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:13 AM
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www.thesun.co.uk...


This is all over the newspapers in England.Scary about the school kids but does'nt really surprise me.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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I seem to be the only one giving that thread any attention anymore. Nice someone else sees potential in it.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by Question
reply to post by David9176
 


Well isn't all of this convenient? Just as convenient as the Bin Laden tape that came ou during the 2004 election.

I know that some would think it despicable and that we conspiracy theorists are making up excuses for these guys. Me personally, I'm not, if it's true, convict them and punish them to the extent of the law.

But I myself can't help but feel right now, like detective Finch in "V for Vendetta" when he approached his most close friend and colleague and asked if maybe it was all a lie, that the terrorists, even though they "confessed" to being responsible for a big plague epidemic, perhaps they were just a scapegoat used by our own govt. Would you want to know the truth, if it meant knowing that your own govt. had become your own worse enemy?

I'm sorry, but I find this series of events too "coincidental" and a man like myself does not believe in coincidences.



Life isnt a movie. This is no coincidence. The two men planing this are real. their plot was real, and the potential victim is real..


LIFE ISNT ALWAYS A DAMN CONSPIRACY



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:40 AM
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I agree, this is nothing more or less than 2 of the lowest common denominator of human beings banging their little heads together

No plots, no conspiracies, just a new MTV Special "Bevis and Butt head the Later Years"



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by nyk537
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I don't believe that for a second. America is not the racist, divided country the Democrats and the MSM want you to think it is. That's just fear mongering to get more people to vote Obama.

This country will be fine if Obama loses.

However, if he wins......


You are being disingenuous, and your post clearly explains why.

Parts of America are very racist still, you just don't live in those places. If you think racism & hatred are gone in America, you are living in a dream world.



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 03:54 AM
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No surprise here, with comments from McCain+Palin like he's pallin around with terrorist or who is obama really, and he's not one of us. Its obvious McCain camp has been trying to make obama look un American, a possible "terrorist" and not least least reminding white america he's black, "Not one of us" as Pallin put it at one of her mob rallies.

Is it really any wonder that Nazis in your community want to kill obama. remember America has a history of political assasination and the McCain camp i believe have pandered to the racist nazis probably in hope he would be killed and you all get 8 more years of cheny/bush corruption.

Look theres no conspiracy here there are alot of dangerous white supremicist groups in America who would love nothing better than for those idiots to have succeeded. (Fact)

Im afraid after reading some of these comments that bigotry is at the heart of some of these posts.
There is certainly no conspiracy by the obama camp to set this up for his benefit. that would be crazy, would obama really want to give all the hate mob out there, some kinda cause to follow?

This was a real but feeble attempt. but none the less this is the second threat against obama ive heard of now, and im sure the hate mob wont just go away.
It seems some just dont like change or progress of any sought. just lousy bitter people who need someone to blame for there ills, Funny they never seem to go for the real culprits e.g the people responsible the mess america and most of the world is in right now, oh no thats right there white so the must be on your side right?...wrong its not about race its about the "haves and the have more" as Bush put it.

God save Obama.
Peace



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 03:56 AM
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RACISM IS A PRODUCT OF THE MSM AND THE GOVERNMENT its easy to figure out.
as long as everybody is in some type of minority.there can never be a majority to change things
this is why the racist stuff always makes the main stream media,front page.
we get fed this stuff,and everybody hates a little more,and THEY WIN.THEY BENEFIT. IT MAKES THEM A LITTLE MORE SECURE,AND IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO TAKE FROM US WHAT THEY WANT,LIKE OUR FREEDOMS. THEY ACTUALLY SCARE US ABOUT EACH OTHER SO BAD THEY ASK US TO TAKE THEM AWAY



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 04:28 AM
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2 teens say they are going to kill a potential president and all of a sudden it's an assassination plot. They had 1 rifle and 2 pistols. They said they would kill black students first at a black high school. Then if they was still alive they would dress up in all white tuxedos and drive a car as fast as they could toward Obama while shooting out the windows.



Not exactly a grand plot to kill a potential first black president. Hell even they said they didnt think it would work. I wonder how many here have said Bush needs to be taken out. Should that be constituted as an assassination plot also?



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by LogicalExplanation

Originally posted by nyk537

It just smells fishy to me. It all seems a little to convenient.


It is.

And coming from someone who has a few friends in the "White Power" movements, I can tell you it's total bull. None of them at all want Obama dead, in fact they want him elected. They think that because Obama is black, he will be a terrible and incompetent president, and will "awaken" the "white sheep" to how bad black people are for us.


And also, don't get me wrong, skinheads aren't exactly known for being educated people, but even they are not stupid enough to assassinate Obama. They know it will only make their movement look bad and more radical than it is, and will hurt their recruitment efforts. And recruitment means a whole lot to a movement which is constantly shrinking.

No, this whole breaking news is total BS propoganda by the government. Expect them to use this to enforce patriot-act style laws more than ever before onto us.


I actually agree with you. I also have had friends in the WP movement. Which is kinda funny because I am borderline hispanic. Anyway, there are different levels to these organizations. There are those that want segregation, those that want to repeal legislation to help minorities. The majority of them agree with protecting the border. Some actually "hate" minorities, others want to enslave them. No, These were probably just 2 soldiers in the White Power movement. They were young, and stupid. This is not stereotypical of what the way they usually think. Example being, yes they want obama in power. they want him in power, because most of these guys have been predicting the collapse of the US for the last 50 years. They want him in power because this is the closest that america is to collapsing finacially. Can you imagine what would happen to there movement if :

1.) the U.S. economy collapsed under the first black president.
2.) civil unrest started under the first black president resulting in the death of innocent white people being attacked and robbed in minority ghettos.
3.) Martial Law was declared to quell the unrest, resulting in gun confiscation, mass arrests of starving people seeking to get out of cities only to be thrown in prisons. All this orchestrated by a black president?

No, they have everything to gain and nothing to loose with Obama. If actually nothing happens, he is nothing more then a corrupt, useless politician. If BAD stuff start happening, its a recruiting tool that can truly enthrall the masses. Alot of closet bigots and racists will start leaning there way, and being actively involved in the movement. Additionally, alot of people that aren't racist would leave them alone because:

1.) they've grown in power,
2.) there fighting the government.

No, if things got real bad, there recruitment would skyrocket, and they would significant have a powerplay.

My opinion, only the low level, uneducated, racists are wanting obama dead. The smart ones are voting for him.

This kinda leads with all the fear going around. Why is it that gun sales are up. There up because people are scared that they will need it to protect there family and there food.

Why are people hoarding food? Because they fear the the economy is going to collapse.

All this fear-mongering plays directly into what they really want. A civil war, and infighting.

On the same token, the funny part is, you can take what I am saying as a NWO disinformation agent. If thats the case, and someone that is, likes what they see, feel free to contact me to start payments.

Last note. I think Obama will be elected president. I do think alot of stupid racists will try to kill him. These 2 were in the stupid group. I think he will need to start worrying when the ATF start finding detailed plans, not a bunch of drunk rednecks talking.

P.S. - I am not a racist, as I said, I'm 1/2 hispanic, my wife's brother was one, he was actually killed trying to get out of the movement. Because of this, my wife and I pay attention to the movement, and do alot of research. While I don't agree with them, its always better to know your enemy.

Camain



posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by Spectre0o0
RACISM IS A PRODUCT OF THE MSM AND THE GOVERNMENT its easy to figure out.


Really? I wonder what accounted for the racism that existed before mass communication and 'government'.




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