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Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by dontreally
Good point but notice i said the culprits that are doing this "willingly" one could make a case such as you just did that the ones programmed to do this to others aren't necessarily doing it "willingly" which is a good and valid point but i could counter that the greatest gift that god gave us was free will and you could say that's short changing god when these programmers that were programmend them selfs can't see what there doing is obviously wrong with there free will so in thoery free will should be able to conquer this however it is a complicated situation and again you do make a good point.
The higher ups the ones that know this is wrong and still do it are the ones that deserve the blunt of the punishment but then again maybe they all do because again i bring up the free will factor it really is a sticky situation.....
and just a short text from the link
Advisory: This page contains disturbing testimony that may not be suitable for sensitive readers and children.
still not decided one way or the other for if this is true why no price tag on her???
Update February 2010: The archive of extremely important articles by Svali about Illuminati ritual abuse and other subjects, written in 2000-2002, is now back online here.
Of all the courageous warriors for truth to whom we pay tribute on these pages, Svali is an exception. Her name is a pseudonym, and it is not known whether she is dead or in hiding. But her testimony is so shocking, and of such critical importance, that in our view it is utterly clear that we must honor her here.
Svali is, or was, an American woman born into an Illuminati bloodline. When she was twelve years old, she was taken to the Vatican for a ceremony she was told would be very important. What she witnessed - an actual child sacrifice (the child was 3 or 4 years old, and appeared to be compliant) on an obsidian slab over a large pentagram in a basement catacomb - is told in her extraordinary interview with Greg Szymanski. Everyone visiting our site must hear this:
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All Illuminati children are heavily conditioned to be obedient, patient, self-controlled, and totally loyal to the "family". Some are groomed for the military or politics; others are prepared for business - or even 'businesses' such as prostitution. Marriages are arranged, one reason being to strengthen ties between different bloodlines. All the members of the families have respectable fronts as "normal" people to the degree that no-one who is not in the group would ever suspect the duality of their character and of their life. Meetings often occur at night. In these meetings children are "trained" using drugs, hypnosis, and shock-reward conditioning. They can, in Svali's words, all handle and fire a weapon with deadly accuracy by the age of 8.
Higher levels of politics are heavily Illuminati occupied and controlled, in all western countries. In the United States, the population is about 1% Illuminati or Illuminati assets. Do the math: that's about 3 million people. You may even know some of them, and have never suspected.
Svali is also an exception in that very few Illuminati members ever leave. The conditioning is just too great... and to leave means abandoning spouse, parents, children, house, money, everything. Very few people make the break. Svali reports that she was only able to leave after it dawned on her that, because she was telling lies to the Illuminati children as an Illuminati "trainer" (her role or job in the "family"), she must have been lied to herself when she was young. She converted to Christianity ('real' Christianity: she described various Christian churches as heavily Illuminati controlled) and this gave her the strength to leave. She gave one major radio interview, and had a website (suite101.com) which has now been taken down. She wrote prolifically for a while, but has not been heard from since 2006.
There is a lot of information on her on the internet: Google 'Svali' and start reading.
Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by CIAGypsy
You and me will never see eye to eye on certin aspects of this situation, but of course there is a elite group that works behind the confounds of the shadows it's called the rouge elements of government and every government has this and trust these rouge elements within governments are in contact with each other when need be, see the movie the Good Sheppard to see what i'm talking about.
Originally posted by Privy_Princess
How many here have read articles by Svali, a supposed ex-Illuminati member/programmer/ritual abuse survivor.
I find her articles to be very interesting. I'm not sure if I am 100% on her bandwagon, but I do find that most of what she says rings somewhat true.
If you are not sure who this is, I will link to the long and interesting overview of the Illuminati she composed, entitled "Svali Speaks"
I suggest that you read through it all, as it gives answers to most of the questions being put forth on this board on a daily basis (it is up to you to decide the truth factor, however)
Read it and let me know what you think!