Originally posted by mopusvindictus
It's obvious that the USA is moving socialist and in some was fascist, just as Europe moved socialist and Russia and China moved to a more capitalist system...

When did Europe become socialist?

Please explain this.

I live in an EU country... and its not socialist.

Originally posted by beforetime
Can someone explain what's going on here?

In simple terms..

Cause all the crowing going on in the thread i assume something big going down.
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well, Italy and France want to start a new G8 meeting in NY and will speak about a "new bretton woods". Actually Italy wanted it at the G14 meeting as the current situation is a global problem. But as problems are growing with lightspeed so it will take place a the G8.

The Video made a NWO conspiracy out of this but with lag of information as the "new bretton woods" is actually a good thing. Go research!

EDIT:
Seems since everyone fear the NWO, everything that needs to be done on global scale gets adopted to NWO movement.

A NWO conspiracy instead can be found when you compare Browns new "bretton woods" and the "new bretton woods" by LaRouche. LaRouche btw supports the moves by Italy and France.

Maybe this enlightens a bit, I hope at least.

[edit on 26-10-2008 by snidr]

Originally posted by Calleixeire
The problem is most people today don't see what's wrong with socialism

Holly ....

Do you even know what a socialism is ?

Socialism means a classless society with no rich and poor existing. Only one worker-class.
You actually should notice that there was no real socialism ever, also there wasn't a real communism ever!

EDIT: well, the DDR was a (kind of) socialism. Also Cuba is more a socialism then a communism. IMO.

Socialism is a preliminary stage of Communism
And Communism will raise after world domination
Karl Marx

Go research.

OMG.

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[edit on 26-10-2008 by snidr]

Just who and what are these so-called ''elite''. Politicians, Lawyers, Bankers etc etc - if that is what you call elite, then my dicks' a bloater!

I actually agree that there should be a one world government, one currency etc etc etc ......... It couldnt do a worse job than the few hundred governments are now doing ....... bring it on i say.

I guess the sand in the hour glass is finally running out.

Lets all salute to a new world order and a happier life ffs

Btw im being sarcastic

for some reason my last post didnt make it..


anyway. im a newbie here and i've only started reading this alternative site i guess, and i cannot believe that the majority of it never makes it to the mainstream press.. and i cannot believe i have been fed bull# for the better half of my life from those outlets of news.

im slowly learning the true state of the world, and how it could possibly be a planned state of the world.

what i am interested in is the two families that seem to have so much net wealth? rothchild and someone? any more information about these two families and how they are related to this nwo thing?


sorry for being so newbish

Seriously i dont understand why people go into an uproar when one world government is suggested. The entire planet coming together as one is the final barrier we have to conquer if we are for one to survive as a species and progress society but also if we were ever to join any galactic ccommunity.

THink about it, it would eliminate the need for wars as all countries would be one. We would have free access to the rewst of the planet because we would have no need for customs or currency exchange. We could equally distribute wealth planetwide by helping the areas that dont do well financially. We can use our vast wealth and knowledge to work together to cure diseases and conquer space travel.

People are only afraid of this because it is new and some are still undergoing culture shock or still have racist or religious views about the whole thing.

I for one would love to be able to go to a place like Iraq and see some of the most ancient ruines on the planet but i cant because of the wars we wage. Think about all the money spent on wars, the trillions of dollars, that would no longer be spent, and the areas of the world we would now have access to.

Imagine if humanity would all have the same goal, to better itself. THis is what uniting the planet would bring to the table. It is this anti one world government thinking that prevents us from becoming one. The fear you are feeling is part of human nature, it is the brains function to make us fear or be suspicious of the unknown as a method of self preservation. It is instinctive.

How about this, instead of rejecting one world govt, lets work together to make it work, for everyone on the planet so that we may progress as a society and as a species. Get up off your computers and do something about it, because whether you like it or not it is happening and how it is going to work depends on all of our additudes.

EARTH IS A NETWORK, NOT A GLOBE


Globalists are people who believe that Earth is round, right?

So, what does that mean to us?

I prefer to look at this planet (and humanity) as a network, where all nodes are in direct contact and not mediated by governments, especially not by ONE government.

I see that we, from all parts of the world, communicate directly by means of Internet (this forum, for instance). Do we need a banker to give us credit so we can trust each other, or buy each others trust? No, we don't need a banker for that.

So how is this New World Order going to improve things for us, if we are already just fine in this "griddy" connection, instead of suffering and trembling in their little "greedy" globule which is constantly breaking apart and needs to feed on our blood to sustain itself, every minute of our lives?

Let's be honest, do we really need governments the way they are, and is there any chance that they (or IT) will ever be better than they are now?

They may insist that the world is round, but now that we have seen the truth, we know it isn't. Their whole project is in vain.

The only ones who have a problem are those who are afraid to look and listen - both masses of people who chose to be led and their leaders, and there is no point in talking to them. Such communication is impossible.

I find it interesting that the initiation for this publicly comes from the EU. I've done my reading and I was waiting on baited breathe for the US to do so itself. From a political standpoint it nearly takes the onus off of the Bush Administration. In light of these plans to move forward on a global currency it almost looks as if the bailout was never supposed to work.

Just wait until they unveil the Eartho, Terro, or something to that extent following of course the tradition of ending their names with o/ro.
These people are such irritants.

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
People are only afraid of this because it is new and some are still undergoing culture shock or still have racist or religious views about the whole thing.

Yes, that is so true. Because a lot of people still take things for granted. They don't understand that this is the lesser of the two evil. If they themselves experience the other evil, they'll welcome this move.

This is about balancing things around more smoothly, if everything left by itself, it'll go from extreme left to extreme right. From extremely poor country to country whose citizens are borderline obese.

But of course if you try to take away the excess food from the "obese" people they're going to be angry aren't they? Lucky for the world, the decision is not up to them.

its an interesting state of the world to say the least.

i understand that there are negatives with a nwo, but surely there are also positives. people state "they" want control over the populus, but who is "they" and why would "they" want control over us. if the goal is to make money, and they control money and the flow of it.. why bother taking over in the first place.

surely there is a true reason as to why "they" want a nwo? it cannot truely be pure evil?

Originally posted by Wotan
Just who and what are these so-called ''elite''. Politicians, Lawyers, Bankers etc etc - if that is what you call elite, then my dicks' a bloater!

I actually agree that there should be a one world government, one currency etc etc etc ......... It couldnt do a worse job than the few hundred governments are now doing ....... bring it on i say.

So you agree that a 1 world Government would be cool?

A World without boarders?

A world wher 2billion Starving, Jobbless 3rd worlders, can be picked up & moved to your country to work (without Visas) or permission from the citizens living there alrady?

Martial Law world wide, being told how many babies you can or cannot have, having all cultures combine into one, so that ppl lose their heritage & cultural significance.

OK for you mabe, but not for me...

The NWO will bring more change than any could imagine, The NWO is not about unity of peoples, But that of power. The NWO will not bring peace, But will probably bring more havoc...The powers that run it will probably fight one another over power and command. Many think that it would be better than the trouble we are in, but neglect to understand, it is these powers that has caused the trouble thus far...............................

Keep in mind these people choose their words carefully when speaking to the press. Just look at it this way, whenever they say something, they probably really mean the complete opposite.

New World Order = Old Fractionalised World DisOrder
which they already have and are wanting to continue it.

Without an enemy, we have nothing to to fear, no reason to compete and with ensuing generations we will learn acceptance of one and other. That is most definitely what the super-rich elites do NOT want. Right now they are playing us all off against each other and profiting enormously from it. And that's the way they want it. It's the way they have been running the show for centuries. The Hegelian Principle. Friends, the NWO is actually what they are afraid of and it is what they will fight tooth and nail against. The reason they are keeping us drugged up etc is to keep us relatively complacent and our logic somewhat fuzzy. For if we were to unite, who do you think would win? We the people outnumber them at a ratio of over 100 : 1. They most certainly do not want a unified world because sooner or later it would mean their complete destruction. It's all a ploy to keep us paralysed from moving forward and uniting. A unified world is not such a bad thing, but we are a long way away from achieving such a lofty ideal.

February 2nd - 4th, around there, they will crash the market and bring about a depression and war will no doubt not be too far away from this date also. It's they way they have always operated. Play one side against the other, pick up the pieces afterward. Without enemies, the Old World Order will crumble, and there is no way that they can possibly take over the entire world and turn us all into slaves. They know this, but they also know you're scared. They control us through fear. They already have us under their control. They know this because they have been getting away scott free with their plans for centuries. Sure they will try and extend borders, gain more control. They probably will try and implement the Amero... but not much will really change. They'll still play each side off against each other. Move resources around the world for enormous profit.

For instance, did you know that there are 2 massive oil shelves in Alaska? Do you also know that Alaskan oil will never be sold to the US market whilst they are in power? That's because the IMF and World Bank control the oil distribution and use it as a form of taxation. They also use it to broker deals with other countries to buy US debts. ie "we'll buy your oil as long as with some of the proceeds from this transaction that you invest in US debt". Selling Alaskan oil cheaply to the USA, and it could be very cheap if they wanted it to be as it only costs about $5 to fill a barrel, would mean that the customer countries holding bad debts may decide to dump said debts, thus crashing their little game. They use oil to subsidise globalisation. When third world countries default on their massive loans, and the WB and/or IMF forgives these loans, who do you think pays for them? You do at the gas pump. It's not a plan they wish to see destroyed. There is no coincidence that oil men are at the helm of the USA. They also want McCain in power as he is sympathetic to them. Obama however is a wild card. Hence the recent threat from Biden, "just like JFK, he will be tested ...". What he means is, " OK we give up, it looks like you're gonna beat our man, but you've now got a serious decision to make, you're either with us or against. You saw what happened when a President goes against us ..."

Maybe Biden is not one of them, he just knows the inside scoop, but you get the gist of it.