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posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 05:13 PM
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Hello People,

Was just wondering about something, now don't get me wrong I'm a fair believer in having a backup plan for SitX, I totally agree with having a BOB and I really do think its a good idea to have a survival vechicle (as I have seen in a recent thread).

The question I would like to ask however is regarding actually leaving ones home, would it be that easy for you in the event of SitX to leave your home?

I'm of the oppinion that there must be a substantial amount of people who would refuse to leave their homes and would rather attempt to defend and secure it than leave it.

Personally, I think this would be rather a hard decision for me. I would leave with myself and family safe however I would also feel an obligation to defend whats mine annd stick up for myself at all costs!

The safer option probably is to leave home but I was just interested in your oppinions, would you go and grab the BOB and find your survival spot or would you stop, stand tall and fight for what is rightfully yours?




posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 05:15 PM
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Grab your BOB, family and go. Screw the house - can a dead man live in a house? no. Can an alive man in a cave build a house or shelter next week? yes he can.

The defend the home issue is a non-starter for me. I would rather hide and live than stand a die for a box of bricks.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 05:18 PM
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Hello Person,

It really seems to boil down to your priorities. Is your stuff more important than your life? Look at what happened to people on the Gulf of Mexico who've stayed during a hurricane, only to regret it later...if they even survived.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Grab your BOB, family and go. Screw the house - can a dead man live in a house? no. Can an alive man in a cave build a house or shelter next week? yes he can.

The defend the home issue is a non-starter for me. I would rather hide and live than stand a die for a box of bricks.


Hello D4rk Kn1ght!

I thought you would be living in a shelter somewhere in the mountains after the last post of yours I read!


I suppose your right, a house is a house at the end of the day however I feel theres a little bit of stubborness that most people possess that would say "why am I leaving my own home?"

Depending on the situation itself, you could probably make your own home safer and better protected than you could for any A-frame, trench, pit, snow cave etc etc



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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If your all up armoured, and lights are all off and your house is intact, people are going to want to get in to see why that is so. That makes your house stick out and the bad folks are going to make an extra effort to get in.

If your a couple of days walk from civilisation, hiding out with a few folks of a like mind, have camouflaged your abode and have a back up safe area i.e. a damn good cave system, your going to live the life of riley out there.

Dammit, you could even go fishing and have total peace of mind that in the event of any trouble your loved ones just drop off deep underground to keep safe.

I know which one gets my vote.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 03:57 AM
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Go where OP? Bugging out is a last resort. There is a word for folks that bug out, with no place to go. They're called "refugees".

Peak oil, derivatives meltdowns, pandemics, food shortages, market collapses, terrorism, global war and chaos. It would be remarkably naive to think that mere geographical isolation would be sufficient to shelter one from the predation of evildoers. Therefore, one should prepare to "bug in" first.

Of course, if you do plan to "bug in" you will be surrounded by people in need, and they are going to see that you're not starving. Congratulations! You have just hit upon the great survivalist question of all time,: do I bug out?

I don't have the answer, sorry. It all depends on your totally specific situations and circumstances. However, most agree that Sit-X will be a lousy time to start preparing. Money will mean nothing. Wealth will be measured in the ability to survive and it will be scary.

Either way, you can't run to nowhere and you can't defend the indefensible.



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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 05:40 AM
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id stay as close to civilisation as possible.to be honest,theres no way i would be able to survive out in a wilderness,other than the fact that where i live,theres not so much wilderness to be living in either,so yeah...

i take martial law


will keep me much safer than trying to go solo/with a few others,with no medicine and very little food.the government will look after me,my family and everyone else,after all thats what they are elected for.if they failed to do this,and i still managed to (somehow) survive,i would make sure they are elected out asap.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by seriously,who cares?
...the government will look after me,my family and everyone else,after all thats what they are elected for.if they failed to do this,and i still managed to (somehow) survive,i would make sure they are elected out asap.




Man, where do you live?

Honestly, where " government will look after me,my family and everyone else"... tell and I shall move there RIGHT NOW!

In a Martial Law state, EVERYONE is the government's enemy.

Peace



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Grab your BOB, family and go. Screw the house - can a dead man live in a house? no. Can an alive man in a cave build a house or shelter next week? yes he can.

The defend the home issue is a non-starter for me. I would rather hide and live than stand a die for a box of bricks.


Hello D4rk Kn1ght!

I thought you would be living in a shelter somewhere in the mountains after the last post of yours I read!


I suppose your right, a house is a house at the end of the day however I feel theres a little bit of stubborness that most people possess that would say "why am I leaving my own home?"

Depending on the situation itself, you could probably make your own home safer and better protected than you could for any A-frame, trench, pit, snow cave etc etc


I think because you are obviously planning and thinking very hard about all options that you need to change your normal vehicle for something that will double up as a residential BO Vehicle, IE Ideally a 4x4 panel van, but failing that a 4x2 panel van fitted out as a stealth camper, If you dont know what a stealth camper is let me know and I'll post an article on it.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by Sator

Originally posted by seriously,who cares?
...the government will look after me,my family and everyone else,after all thats what they are elected for.if they failed to do this,and i still managed to (somehow) survive,i would make sure they are elected out asap.




Man, where do you live?

Honestly, where " government will look after me,my family and everyone else"... tell and I shall move there RIGHT NOW!

In a Martial Law state, EVERYONE is the government's enemy.

Peace




i live in england,with government by the people,for the people.

and no,the government only makes you an enemy if you go against them.obey,and you will be safe.martial law is a last resort,in order to properly keep order,and keep people safe.





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posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 07:59 AM
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obey,and you will be safe


What if obeying means not coming on ATS? What if obeying means getting vaccinated? What if obeying means giving your DNA? You will never be safe if you value your freedom, privacy and right to independant thought.

As for the OP: Of course it all depends on the sitx. Our preperations for sitx are actually that - SITX - we don't know what will happen but it is likley that at some point in our lives we will all be faced with some type of situation that will require of us the need to make some important decisions about our survival. ( The Apocalypse or a hurricane - they are both SITX)

We have a bug out kit - very basic, because were we to decide to leave we would need to travel lightly and on foot ( Becasue if we decide to leave so will many others -imagine the the roads!)

Ultimately it all depends on your personal situation. Most importantly I'd like to stress that SITX isn't just an end of the world type scenario - What about floods? Earthquakes? You should plan as generically as possible in my opinion.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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This debate comes up regularly. The fact is, you can't plan ahead to bug-out until and unless you know what situation you're facing. You could easily go from the pot into the fire. Alot depends on where you live and where you intend to go. If you're in a city or other high population density area you'll need to get out no matter what. Resources will deplete quickly.

But where to go? Will movement be restricted by officials? Will certain areas or routes be blocked? How will you get this information? If you're living in a non-urban area and decide to head-for-the-hills how can you be sure you'll get there? If you run into large fleeing crowds or travel restrictions enroute will you be able to return home or will you be swallowed-up in the growing mass of refugees?

We've spent a large amount of time assessing this question for ourselves. We live in a suburban area that is by no means rural but falls on the low side as far as population density goes. We would only cut-and-run if we were forced to. We have well water, havestable wildlife, supply stockpiles, tools, communication and weaponry. We believe that under all but the most dire situation our chancesa re better here than on the move.

For my money, bugging-out should be the tactic of last resort. I personally do not beleive it will be as easy as some people want to believe.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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I live in England.
To the government, I am nothing but a number.
They do not care about you. Take a look in the press, the government can not be arsed to look after starving, homeless, ill people or even the injured soldiers that they sent to and illegal war because they say there is no money in the pot, but they are willing to pile billions of pounds into a failed banking system which is still shelling out huge payouts to its directors.
This is what the Gov cares about, themselves.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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the media hypes things up.big time.bad news sells,we all know that.
i dont know a single person suffering from these things.i know soldiers,i know elderly.no one that i know is having these problems.i wouldnt trust the newspapers.just look around you.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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and no,the government only makes you an enemy if you go against them.obey,and you will be safe.martial law is a last resort,in order to properly keep order,and keep people safe.

So whats it feel like to be a socialist anyways? Sit-x comes down your government or mine or anyone else's will turn on you. Its about control. Once you give that up, you are no longer free, just a cog in the gears. I'm glad you are in the UK, I certainly wouldnt want to run into you after a collapse in the US. I would have enough problems to deal with, and certainly wouldnt want to feed another "survivor" who wont deal with the reality of taking care of himself.

To the OP. Stay or Go? Kind of depends on what you have done ahead of time. If your sit-x plan so far only has a BOB, I would say stay as long as you could. Unless you are in a city, the GTHO now. Just running off into the wilderness with only a BOB could be a mistake, especially if you have stockpiled foods, guns, meds. How would you transport all of that?

However, if you have a cabin/compound/etc... that is set up ahead of time, leave your home at once. Its just a house, maybe it will still be standing if and when you come back. If not, you're still alive. If the masses cant find you, they cant kill you or steal from you.

When it starts to fall apart, Ill be gone in a minute. My stockpiles are scattered and hidden well, I have a place in the hills that is fully functional. And NO, I will not be a refugee. A refugee is someone displaced who doesnt want to be where they are and dependant on another. I can and will take care of myself, no government intervention will be needed or accepted.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by salchanra


and no,the government only makes you an enemy if you go against them.obey,and you will be safe.martial law is a last resort,in order to properly keep order,and keep people safe.

So whats it feel like to be a socialist anyways? Sit-x comes down your government or mine or anyone else's will turn on you. Its about control. Once you give that up, you are no longer free, just a cog in the gears. I'm glad you are in the UK, I certainly wouldnt want to run into you after a collapse in the US. I would have enough problems to deal with, and certainly wouldnt want to feed another "survivor" who wont deal with the reality of taking care of himself.

To the OP. Stay or Go? Kind of depends on what you have done ahead of time. If your sit-x plan so far only has a BOB, I would say stay as long as you could. Unless you are in a city, the GTHO now. Just running off into the wilderness with only a BOB could be a mistake, especially if you have stockpiled foods, guns, meds. How would you transport all of that?

However, if you have a cabin/compound/etc... that is set up ahead of time, leave your home at once. Its just a house, maybe it will still be standing if and when you come back. If not, you're still alive. If the masses cant find you, they cant kill you or steal from you.

When it starts to fall apart, Ill be gone in a minute. My stockpiles are scattered and hidden well, I have a place in the hills that is fully functional. And NO, I will not be a refugee. A refugee is someone displaced who doesnt want to be where they are and dependant on another. I can and will take care of myself, no government intervention will be needed or accepted.

The first, second and last rule of real survivalism is never become a refugee, the second you put the responsibility for your feeding, medical, housing and other needs of the govt during a crisis you become just another refugee, just another mouth to feed, even the richest nation on earth could not cope with the refugees from two very localised events, the Hurricane that hit new Oleans, and the one that hit florida about ten years ago, in some case in FLA some communities did not see any aid or help arrive for over 11 days.



posted on Oct, 31 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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The trick is to be flexible. I have three children and a wife. We are quite capable and prepared to deal with most emergencies that may come our way. If however something were to come up we can quickly disperse and regather at a select rendezvous point. My family is prepared for a quicky evac camping type situation. We can and have gone quickly and efficiently with only minimal preparation And no we aren't crazed survivalist types. However I am well versed in survival and primitive living. We live rurally but understand that even here there might be situations where it is better to run than to stay. Learn to hit and run it worked for years for my ancestors the apaches. As for living out of a pack for an extended period of time it can and has been done by myself and others. In my younger days I would travel up and down the eastern seaboard, living off of the land sleeping where I could and occasionally taking the odd job for spending money, but yes those were different times.


respectfully

reluctantpawn



posted on Nov, 1 2008 @ 04:21 AM
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It depends on what SitX was.
If it was an NBC attack by a foreign nation I'd be ready to evac at a moments notice, (keeping my eye on the current climate to try and predict best as possible), to my secure location, where my supplies etc would be stashed. Keeping my family away from work as it got critical. I'd leave due to large amounts of panicking people, Marshall law, food shortages = too much risk given here in old Blighty we cant carry fire arms.

If it was a case of a dirty bomb I'd examine the situation, as if it was in London I pretty much wouldn't be at risk. So no point to cause the stresses of e&e on my family and friends. I'd be super aware of the situation on all fronts though and ready to go as needed.

If it was a terrorist attack using a bio or chem agent my first reaction would get indoors, seal doors / windows. Strap on my MK4 NBC and S10 and head out. simply to get away and avoid the after effects such as increases in other diseases from the deaths and secondary attacks.

Generally if the situation got so bad I'd grab my gear and exfil. I'd rather do it when I still can rather than get stuck in my house with little supplies and water and the risk of marshall law, and mobs.

My secure location I have chosen is a good tab out (about 10 miles from where I am) so most people wouldn't attempt it, isn't accessible by car and is quite hard to find if your not looking for it. Basic work has been done to securely stash kit and food / water. (I'm not a nut case, but got it drilled into me to be properly prepared and given the world's political climate at the moment I'd be daft not to sort something out)
So is easily defendable, close to underground water and a bloody nice view!

End of the day you have to consider the safety of your family first, but also the stresses caused by unneeded evac's. As a general rule though I'd rather they be a bit anxious / depressed (which can easily be controlled) than in a situation that's getting quickly out of control. Desperate people will kill for food / water without thinking about it.

Start getting your family used to the idea by going camping at weekends, you dont have to tell them why your doing it, but the more they get used to it now the easier it will be if / when it happens for real.

Sorry to have blabbed on a little there but I wanted you to get my frame of mind so you can see why I would do things this way.



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