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posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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Not Even Close


www.washingtonpost.com

By David Frum
Sunday, October 26, 2008; Page B01

There are many ways to lose a presidential election. John McCain is losing in a way that threatens to take the entire Republican Party down with him.

A year ago, the Arizona senator's team made a crucial strategic decision. McCain would run on his (impressive) personal biography. On policy, he'd hew mostly to conservative orthodoxy, with a few deviations -- most notably, his support for legalization for illegal immigrants. But this strategy wasn't yielding results in the general election. So in August, McCain tried a bold new gambit: He would reach out to independents and women with an exciting and unexpected vice presidential choice.

That didn't work out so well either. Gov. Sarah Palin connected with neither independents nor women. She did, however, ignite the Republican base, which has come to support her passionately. And so, in this last month, the McCain campaign has Palinized itself to make the most of its last asset. To fire up the Republican base, the McCain team has hit at Barack Obama as an alien, a radical and a socialist.

Sure enough, the base has responded. After months and months of wan enthusiasm among Republicans, these last weeks have at last energized the core of the party. But there's a downside: The very same campaign strategy that has belatedly mobilized the Republican core has alienated and offended the great national middle, which was the only place where the 2008 election could have been won.

I could pile up the poll numbers here, but frankly . . . it's too depressing. You have to go back to the Watergate era to see numbers quite so horrible for the GOP.

(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 25-10-2008 by grover]




posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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One has to ask, simply put why is McCain in such dire straits... why is he losing?

Is it because Obama has such a compelling personality?
Is it because people are sick of bush minor?
Is it because people are sick of Republicans?
Is it the economy stupid?
Is it the Iraq war?

Personally I tend to believe it is because McCain simply has not made a compelling case as to why he should be president.

He cites Obama's lack of experience (actually Obama has just a little less experience than Lincoln did when he was elected President) and he has put forth a series of ever changing proposals (and to be fair so has Obama) but his ads have been nothing but attacks and increasingly desperate ones at that despite the fact poll after poll says that people want to hear about the issues... now more than ever....

... yet still McCain has yet to clearly articulate why he should be president. And his failure to do so, taken along with his attack ads and his mediocre to poor preformances in the debates make him look less and less presidential whereas Obama's unruffled manner merely highlights McCains deficits.


www.washingtonpost.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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It's because the campaign panders to the worst of our nature at a time when we are aspiring to something better.

Edit to add Frum is a former Bush speech writer, so he would certainly have his finger on the pulse of public opinion.

[edit on 25/10/2008 by kosmicjack]



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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I kinda think McCain is doing so badly because he's supposed to.

I think the PTB are well aware of how the public feels about Bush and all the old, rich white guys that go along with that whole regime. So they picked Obama to run against the next old, rich white guy. Because he is not old, or white, the PTB know that the masses will vote for Obama just because he is visual opposite of what the people are fed up with. They know that the majority is driven by what's on the TV.

Simple, but effective.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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No I really think that McCain wants it... but not as much as Obama does and really that is the bottom line.... McCain just doesn't have the fire in the belly that Obama does and it shows.

In these waning days all he can muster is Joe the Plumber and it just doesn't resonate or ring true.

I repect McCain and honor his service... but president? No... especially with that bimbo a heart beat away from power.

BTW Thanks KosmicJack for pointing out who Frum is. A star for you.

[edit on 25-10-2008 by grover]



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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This election is not about Obama at all and thats why I think its comical how the Republicans are acting towards him. Ron Paul summed it up a year or two ago. The Republicans have lost their way. They used to run on a platform of small government, low taxes, balanced budgets, liberty, no intervention, no nation building, and accountability, I mean where the hell is the accountability. As we have seen the past 8 years they have given us the complete opposite. Now they run on corporatism, consumerism, theocracy style government that is almost a hybrid of China and Iran. The party has been hijacked by both the religious right and the big institutions.

This election will not be close and it wont be not because the Democrats offer anything better. Its because the Republicans offer nothing at all. Sad days indeed.

[edit on 25-10-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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At it's core your perspective is accurate.

I can't find it, but there was a study done where the characteristics of unpopular Presidents were compared to their successors. Each time, the successor's characteristics over-compensated in traits the public found lacking in the previous President.




posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
This election is not about Obama at all and thats why I think its comical how the Republicans are acting towards him...

... This election will not be close and it wont be not because the Democrats offer anything better. Its because the Republicans offer nothing at all. Sad days indeed.


I couldn't agree more.

Obama's acceptance speech summed it up perfectly when he said that this election was not about him, it was about you.

Personally I have no faith in the Democrats but I have less faith in the Republicans.

If Obama at least attempts a quarter of what he has promised, he will be a good president.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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I have to agree with you on these points. This is what I believe has been occurring for quite some time. There are many who think they to can ride the tails of this change but it will actually be few. I believe this is being shown by the current situation.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
This election is not about Obama at all and thats why I think its comical how the Republicans are acting towards him. Ron Paul summed it up a year or two ago. The Republicans have lost their way. They used to run on a platform of small government, low taxes, balanced budgets, liberty, no intervention, no nation building, and on and on. As we have seen the past 8 years they have given us the complete opposite. Now they run on corporatism, consumerism, theocracy style government that is almost a hybrid of China and Iran. The party has been hijacked by both the religious right and the big institutions.


That's a great description. It's difficult to disagree with that.


This election will not be close and it wont be not because the Democrats offer anything better. Its because the Republicans offer nothing at all. Sad days indeed.


Where I disagree here, is that I think any Democrat win will be based on the see-saw effect of what's ostensibly two party politics. No matter what is actually on the table, the public tend to only see two horses on the field - that goes for Britain as well as America.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 12:35 AM
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With a little over a week left until Election Day I expect to see something big (or horrible) happen at any time. I hope nothing bad happens but I almost can’t look at the news each morning. On Friday I was on a conference call at work and some of the participants were from Washington, D.C. Suddenly, the line to D.C. dropped. My first thought was, “Did something horrible happen in D.C?” Fortunately, it was just a plain old telephone problem.

I’m still hoping McCain wins so the Democrats don’t have a super majority in Congress and the Presidency. I think that is too much power. The Republicans formerly had majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency and we all know how that turned out.

Both parties have gotten more extreme over the last few election cycles. It seems to me that both sides have taken a “winner take all” attitude. There is no compromise or cooperation - just a fight to the death over every issue. It’s quite a sad state of affairs since a large number of Americans, if not a majority, tend to be centrist.



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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While I believe Obama will be elected president, I do not think it is because the Democrats won the election.

I think it is because McCain lost the election... if that makes sense...

Republicans chose the wrong candidate IMHO. McCain has been scattershot all throughout this campaign. He also seems to like to run with a "shock and awe" campaign, which by now, I think the american public can see through.

McCain should have been president in 2000... he would have done better, and this country would be better off now...



posted on Oct, 26 2008 @ 01:10 AM
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What do you mean "not even close?" According to Fox news, McCain is winning.

www.foxnews.com...



I don't know whether to laugh or cry though. With Diebold out there, this very well could be closer to what we will see on election day than any of the other polls out there.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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On the Clinton, Obama Edwards who will it be thread I said that the big question is will it be a landslide win for Obama and the Democrats or a landslide defeat for McCain and the Republicans? While the results are the same, and Obama presidency and Democratic control of congress, the implications are vastly different.

If it is seen as a landslide win then that means a strong mandate for the Democrats HOWEVER if it is seen as a landslide defeat then it is not a mandate as opposed to a rejection of bush minor and the current batch of Republicans and if that is the case, then the Dems had best tread carefully if they don't want a repeat of the 94 midterm elections.

False news HA!!!



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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So Obama will get 8 years and after that the public will be fed up with Democrats and then vote in a republican for 8 years and so on. See the pattern here. With the country split almost right down the middle on core values one half will never be happy, and we will keep getting the proverbial carrot dangled every election year that Change and Hope are coming. Whatever keeps us working, spending, being taxed to keep the machine running.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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Sadly that is a guarantee that nothing will change and nothing will get done. Each party will waste its time undoing what the previous congress and president has done and squeeze in their agendas in between.... in the meantime the nation goes down the tubes and we never address any of the serious issues that face us.

Rome fell thanks to the barbarians we will fall thanks to partisanship.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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Noting to see here.
Please move along.

All I see is a bunch of people blabbing about how McCain is bad for the country, TOTALLY disreguarding anything becomming public about Obama.

Obama is not your knight in shining armor
Obama is not your messiah
Obama will hammer this country further into the ground then ever thought possible.

Do not even try to compare Obama to Lincoln

Lincoln set slaves free while obama will flip the scirpt ..

[edit on 27-10-2008 by SGSPatriot]



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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The fact that McCain is doing so poorly is indeed a matter of import.
The fact that Obama is doing so well is indeed a matter of import.

Asking the question as to why is also important... trying to surpress discussion of it does no one any good so move along yourself if that is your attitude.

Oh and by the way Obama is NONE of those things to me... he is just a politician, but I hope his policies are better for this country now than McCain and the same old same old from the Republicans.





[edit on 27-10-2008 by grover]



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by itguysrule


Both parties have gotten more extreme over the last few election cycles. It seems to me that both sides have taken a “winner take all” attitude. There is no compromise or cooperation - just a fight to the death over every issue. It’s quite a sad state of affairs since a large number of Americans, if not a majority, tend to be centrist.


The fight to the death over issues is all an illusion, talking points with no real substance.
It is almost comical how we American's believe that we actually have a 2 party country.
I am voting for Obama but I do believe that McCain has handed the election to Obama on a silver platter, maybe it was intentional, maybe he just made missteps or maybe he just saw how messed up this country is and he realized he was just too old and tired to do anything about it.
I dont know but this illusion of a battle is just that an illusion, if you look closely you will see that there is really no substance to any of this.



posted on Oct, 27 2008 @ 10:47 AM
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Is McCain really doing that badly?

Zogby

IBD-TIPP

It's not that big of a gap people. In fact, it's smaller than most Democrats have had at this point, or throughout.

McCain has been polling fairly close to where the Republicans usually do, it's Obama that is underachieving.




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