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Originally posted by Fromabove
I read the court documents. I went to the Pennsylvania court page for the "eastern district" and read the whole thing. Another thing is that this same judge ruled against Obama's motion to dismiss when Obama's attorneys claimed Berg had no standing, only a few weeks before he ruled that Berg had no standing. Something's amiss there for sure.
Originally posted by redhatty
Yes, today, the laws state that a child is a US citizen even if born overseas, as long as one parent is a US citizen.
Were the rules the same in 1961? Do you know?
According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."
But what about the age of Obama's mother? Remember jus soli--citizenship through place of birth? (c'mon--there IS going to be a quiz). In that case--which happens to be Obama's case--the age of the parents has nothing to do with anything. Under jus soli even the children of illegal aliens are U.S. citizens at birth--just ask the pregnant women from Mexico near the end of their third trimester who try to sneak across the border in hopes their child will be born in a San Diego hospital and leave with a U.S. birth certificate clutched in his or her tiny hand.
Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.
Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by davion
Well, that is a blog. Not US Law, but taking it at face value...
It is beginning with the assumption that it IS a FACT that Obama was born in Hawaii.
What if Obama was NOT born in Hawaii and only had his birth registered there after the fact?
Then the whole premise of the argument shifts and there is no support in that blog.
That seems to be the crux of the issue, was Obama physically born in Hawaii or was he born overseas and his birth only registered in Hawaii after his mother returned with him.
In Either case a Certificate of Live Birth will be issued, but only in one of those cases will there be a Vault Copy with a Hawaiian hospital's name and delivering doctor's signature on it.
And the painful truth is that until a Vault Copy is produced, we just don't know for certain what the circumstances of Obama's birth are.
Originally posted by memememe
I can't believe the amount of conspiracy nonsense that's been spouted on this thread. Deny ignorance guys. Here is the proof Obama was born in the USA :
Born in the U.S.A.