Originally posted by populardisbelief
When you say the old world order you mean the powers that be (were) after the American Independence war? To be more precise the
international powers that be, any international companies existing, nobles and banking cartels and the like?
On another part of your post you speak about the enforced ignorance.
I could not help than to think about the ever favorite themes about utopias.
Well, when I refer to the Old World Order, that's in reference to the "old way" that governments ran their countries...Feudal, Monarchy, whatever
you want to name it, it involved either one person or a very small group actually ruling over the masses with no limitations
Constitutional Republic of America put the limitations on the government, to be enforced by the People...That's where the corruption set in was when
the People relaxed their vigilance
on keeping the enforcement of the Supreme Law of the Land. However, if you've been reading breaking news
stories for the past couple of years or so, you should be able to see that more & more People by the day are starting to step up & enforce it.
When the US Founding Forefathers wrote the Constitution, that's when the true "New" World Order began & that's why I refer to it as such; It was
the first time in all of human history that all political power started with the People by Common Law
. The only thing that the Constitution
itself did was delegate certain limited
sovereign powers to the State Governments (which all have their own Constitutions as well), then down
to the national government. The strict limits
on those delegated powers were made to be a matter of Common Law & the Supreme Law of the Land.
In short, what made the Constitutional Republic of America so new is that it took the Old World Order's "Pyramid of Power" & turned it upside down!
A pyramid that sits balanced on its capstone!
And the ironic thing is, IT WAS WORKING FINE
until getting gradually corrupted from within
by "agents" of the Old World Order, through
stealth, deceit & treachery! One example of how well it was working is that, until the government was corrupted enough to establish the unlawful
Federal Reserve Bank, there was no public debt caused by the government
! No "federal deficit" at all!
But just as history has proven, time & time again, when the People have had enough of the deceit & treachery, that old-style pyramid has always
collapsed...Either collapsing under the weight of its own corruption or by weakening the nation enough for invasion. That's the only thing that the
Old World Order is good for...Strengthening the People to continue opposing it! Deceit & corruption is the only way the OWO can survive, like a
Originally posted by populardisbelief
Lycurgus (of Sparta) utopia, where wealth and gold or silver commanded no respect and this one really existed for some time
When you refer to the Spartans, you have to remember that their situation was much different from ours in the USA; For one, Sparta was a
land-locked, independent city-state
in Greece: Greece never was unified into a single geo-political whole. When Lycurgus switched Sparta from a
gold/silver economy, he rendered Spartans largely immune to the greed of the "Merchant Class," as I described in
; Merchants couldn't corrupt the Spartans with greed, because the
merchants didn't want any Spartan "money." Sparta had no ports, no navy & no foreign trade except through other Greek City-States.
But America had no such situation...more than half of America is surrounded by coastline, but as long as we still had our money backed by gold/silver
without a privately-owned foreign-based banking instutution controlling the economy, there was no problem. The Constitution had delegated the power to
"coin our money & determine the value thereof; & of foreign coin" to Congress! But the Federal Reserve Act unlawfully
power to the Fed Res Bank, a foreign-originated, privately-owned banking corporation. Then, in 1933, after the federal government had already borrowed
more Fed Res "fiat money" than we had in the treasury, the Fed Res called that debt due & to be paid in gold...Then, like a bunch of idiots, the
government passed the Emergency Banking Relief Act, which called on the citizens to sell their gold back to the government & made it "illegal" to
use gold as currency...Thus giving the Fed Res Bank a total monopoly
on the economy with its fiat Federal Reserve Notes. Right now, today, the
Federal deficit is so high, that it "owes" the Fed Res more FRN's than actually exist in the whole world.
And the only real backing that props up the U$ Dollar is its link to oil. That's why the US Government keeps invading the Middle East countries
today...They want to make certain that the OPEC nations keep that link
between the Dollar & the oil! Yeah, that's right...We're at war right
now to keep propping up an illegal economy
! This is what the Old World Order is all about...Keeping truths like this out of view of the public
eye. I think it was a Rockefeller who once said that "if the general public ever knew what we're really doing, we'd be running away from
lynch-mobs." Or was it a Rothchild? I'm not entirely certain.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Are you kidding me? Free? What freedom exactly? Do you think that even when most people were living as semi-nomadic hunter gatherers they didn't
have "rules" and strict social constraints?
Sure they did...Even in small tribal groups, it was up to the chief to act as the "governing power" to enforce "common rules" between people so
that the society could maintain peace. If the chief got too far out of hand, then the individuals in the tribe would remove the chief (most often,
violently) & set up a new chief.
That's what the Bill of Rights was written for...To have a set of "common rules" for everyone in America. The bulk of the Constitution was the
"blueprint" for establishing the "governing power" to enforce those common rules between people. When the government gets too far out of hand, the
Constitution has peaceful & legal ways
to remove the government & set up a new one, before it comes down to violence
. When those
peaceful & legal means aren't working, that's when the People will have to resort to force. Look at the second paragraph in the
Declaration of Independence
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever
any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
See what I mean? What made the Constitutional Republic different from the Old World Order is that it established peaceful means
to use first
(1st Amendment Right to Petition for Redress of Grievances), before
having to resort to violence.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Survivalists in the US today are able to survive because of the luxury and stability afforded by a centralized government. Don't throw the baby out
with the bathwater, people. Modern, centralized government as A LOT of perks.
That much is true...But the Constitution establishes how much
centralization that the government is allowed to have, through the system of
"checks & balances" between the three Branches. But still, overall, it's up to the People to keep those Constitutional limits enforced. As I've
described earlier in this post, the federal government still comes in third place
when it comes to delegated powers, therefore limits must be
maintained. This all still falls within Pjotr's post
"relative scale" of centralization/decentralization; The problem with governments in general is that they tend to seek out the most extreme
& that's what the Constitution was written to prevent & for the People to enforce.
So it's irrelevant that the OP wants to instate
the misnamed "New" World Order...It's really still just the Old World Order trying to
survive by the only means it has, treachery & deceit. BTW, I notice that the OP has had very little to say over the past few pages of this thread...