Hurry and instate the NWO NOW !

The real question here is why would you trust anything that is brought in under such subterfuge and deception. Inherently this tells you from the very beginning that there is something very wrong with the NWO ideology.

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frywith your nwo !!!!!

According to certain news stations, the EU and UN are calling for a "new world order" to deal with the global crisis. I think it's time we stepped up onto the stage, and steal their limelight for a change.

When I read drivel like this, I wonder if the poster has ever read any political philosophy books. The Federalist Papers or anything by Tocqueville will show you that the larger the government is, the more injustices will follow because each representative will be tasked with representing more and more people. Do you believe someone can represent a group of 10 people better, or 1000 people better? 10, of course, especially if he lives within that community and the people know their representative personally. When a representative represents 100,000 people, 1,000,000 people, and so on, then no one is going to really know what he stands for or what his character is, and then the door to injustice will open.

That is only one small argument for why smaller governments are more just and beneficial to society. Geez, read and educate yourself before trying to spout nonsense and influence other people's opinions. You're only holding others back when you do this.

As for the NWO, I think the proof is in the pudding. Just look at their documents, memoirs, and past actions and tell me if you think their plans are beneficent. Oh sure, a public that has lost its self-preservation instincts and any sense of self-determination sounds like a utopia to me.

Of course, I doubt you believe anything you're saying. Probably just a troll. Oh well.

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They can pry my firearms out of my cold dead hands.

I love target shooting. I have ever since the game "duck hunt" when I was a kid.

(No I dont actually shoot living ducks, or living anything, though I would if I had to)

Any NWO that requires us to give up the right to bear arms cannot be a good one. If people are happy, there is no reason to fear an armed populace. If things are so unhappy that you have to fear your armed people, they probably have legitimate reason to want to come after you.

People do NOT rise up against their governments on a lark. People are so naturally resistant to change things have to be pretty near unbearable before that happens. So, only a government that foresees your life becoming unbearable has any reason to want to disarm you.

If someone wishes to argue that crime is the reason to give up firearms they need to cut me a break. Crime and murder happens all over the world, in countries with and without firearms. More cars kill people than guns and I dont see anyone rushing out to ban them, and they are bad for the environment on top of the death toll.

The NWO is already here Thank You. The EU is our witness.

Don't we recall Bush senior's presidential inaugural speech announcing "The New World Order" ?
Here in the USA Our current presidential dynasty of the Bush royal family and the subsequent destruction of our constitution and hence our last bit of legal freedom (courtesy of the Patriot Act) are proof that the agenda is well on it's way.

Why do the Bush require secret elitist organizations such as the Skull and Bones of Yale University to promote their constituents amongst the elite and subsequent control of everything from our government, economy and our media ?

I can't believe people are actually defending this as a good thing. The ignorance on such a controversial subject to the modern man is really sad. Here you have an organization which has been slowly building power since the signing of the Constitution, gaining such power by recruiting some of the wealthiest men in America. For many many years they've ran the show behind the scenes, making you believe in the illusion known as a two party system. Either way you pick, they get their way and what they want.

The CNBC analyst who blamed the Illuminati for the stock market going to crap is not some conspiracy theory kook, he's an intelligent man with massive cahonies. By shifting around assets around the world, they have created panic worldwide in the stock market, and thus "forced" their one world currency to the people as the only solution. People are clamoring for this one world currency because they think this will solve their monetary issues.

Well sure, everyone wants money in the bank, but what about your rights? Slowly but surely they want to strip us of our rights, and that's apparent by how much of a mockery the Patriot Act makes of the Constitution. Right now, just about every IP on this site is being monitored by several, if not multiple educational institutions. This government uses universities as fronts for IP spying, and no further evidence is needed on that if you have an IP blocker. (Last time I ran it was yesterday, and over 100 schools were listed as viewing my IP. My block list is almost to a billion!!!) Not only is your IP being tracked on every site you go, but your good friend google saves every search you do on their site until 2036. Now keep in mind google has ties to the CIA. May I recommend scroogle next time you go for a search.

And it's not just the internet. There's still plenty of methods of oppression to use. A lot of nation is addicted to television, often called the idiot box, and for good reason. Through our airwaves they have dumbed down this nation with subliminal messages and harmful propaganda to keep us a nation of fear. The last thing they would want is us fighting back, or even knowing all the evil they do. Our nation grows dumber each year from extended TV watching. As for radio, there are plenty of songs out there with subliminal messages. My personal favorites are the R and B tunes of today, geared to hook young females with their catchy hooks and brainwash them with their degrading messages. Ever wonder why the youth of America are turning into whores and punks? Look no further than their music.

Guys like George Bush and Cheney? Obama and McCain? Scapegoats. Convenient distractions to keep you from getting mad at who the real demons are. The NWO is already here, and they've been here for awhile. They're just now showing their face. I really could go on longer about how sinister they are but I'd rather have the doubting noobs figure out most of this on their own.

I'm gonna make a bet right now that they make Prince William the public face of the group. Young, charismatic, ready for leadership, and a valid member of the elite bloodlines.

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Dude you are either brainwashed or you are being paid / made to write this nonsense . Here are some reasons why the N.W.O. is evil.

Firstly it is not new it's the same old order. The same Bad people that have always run the Governments . Except this time they dont need workers or labourers we are now " usless eaters ". due to technology .The NWO wants to exterminate 80% of the Worlds population . Thats over 6 billion people that will be eliminated in this Genocide . That me3ans every one except the NWO elite and some Servants , Technicians and Scientists. Everyone including Police , Military & Security Services all of us are to be killed. Only an idiot would want to help bring in a regime that isd going to kill him and his family and everyone he has ever known.If you support the NWO you are a pawn and you are helping to kill off the human race including yourself for the benefit of the NWO Pathocracy. Dont you believe in free speech ?
You think Mao , Stalin , Lenin , Pol Pot , Hitler , Mussolini , Franco
etc etc made peoples lives better ? These socialists / communists
are the real enemy of humanity. Reds , Red Flag , Red Armies , Red Square , Red Book , Red Star etc In reality socialists /communists are Satanists whether they know it or not. Hence RED. ....blood ,

You want Gulags ? Concentration Camps ? Re-educationcamps ?

Secondly these people are quite happy to kill millions of Iraqui & Afgan people . The NWO has no empathy . And they are happy to send you to your destruction when they have a draft.

Thirdly here on ATS . The post.

" Packs of robots will hunt down uncooperative humans . "

Ask yourself why the military needs to hunt down unco-operative civilians....CIVILIANS not enemy troops !! Don't you get it ?

And lastly what about

" Government of the people for the people by the people."

You want Government of the Elite by the Elite for the Elite over the people .Who will be slaves. Obviously you didn't want the abolition of slavery. Wate of time really. Because the NWO will bring it back.

George Orwell said:

" If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. "

And he should know he was a Fabian Socialist...with the coat of arms of the Wolf in sheeps clothing. Very Apt.

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Are you serious? Are you down with Satan? You are making a plea for us to succumb to the NWO? Just because it's inevitable does not mean I'm going to give in. I have hope and I believe we will prevail.

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The NWO will not be Capitalism but Socialism, this is why the FED wants to control the Banks......

A National ID card will be the beginning of the takeover since you will no longer control your money, simple idea, but it definitely won't be negotiable.

Don't buy OP's propaganda.

I didn't want to use the phrase Satan-worshippers when stating my case of why I think the NWO is a bad thing, mainly because this shouldn't be turned into a religious debate, as it will cause further discord & seperatism.

But I agree with the past two posts regarding who the NWO work for, and what their aims are, which is why I plead everyone to join in a mass global meditation on the 11th November at 11:11pm GMT. We need to focus on peace, love, and harmony filling our world, to imagine it as if it were already present in the world.

Like I have said before, and I will constantly say again - the NWO isn't inevitable, they may have been around plotting for centuries, but we shall have the final say in what happens to this planet & us.

Ok so i've read about 75% of these posts and i have a few questions.
firstl OP you said in origional post that you and yor family are privileged members of certain social hierarchy and that you KNOW what your saying is true, so would you be able to tell us which social hierarchy you belong to ? and if i understand right what your saying, and please bear with me i may not be as eloquent as some of the posters here i am just one of the lowly populace that is going to be controlled by this NWO whether it be great or evil, my understanding of what you say the NWO will be like is an idealistic socialist world, all working for each other, all caring and helping each other, everyone completely equal. if we're all going to be truly equal who is going to be in the world government? there will always be, as someone said before me, those that are more equal than the rest. so these MORE EQUAL ones will be in charge yes ? so why would it be any different from now, when the ones that end up in charge are the very ones that should never be allowed anywhere near. unless every single person on the planet agrees and goes along with your way of thinking your NWO will never work, all it takes is one person to want power to make the other NWO a reality.

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"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"

No matter who you put in place.

Either you are very ignorant and naive, or you are one of the wolves.

Originally posted by populardisbelief
When you say the old world order you mean the powers that be (were) after the American Independence war? To be more precise the international powers that be, any international companies existing, nobles and banking cartels and the like?

On another part of your post you speak about the enforced ignorance.
I could not help than to think about the ever favorite themes about utopias.

Well, when I refer to the Old World Order, that's in reference to the "old way" that governments ran their countries...Feudal, Monarchy, whatever you want to name it, it involved either one person or a very small group actually ruling over the masses with no limitations. The Constitutional Republic of America put the limitations on the government, to be enforced by the People...That's where the corruption set in was when the People relaxed their vigilance on keeping the enforcement of the Supreme Law of the Land. However, if you've been reading breaking news stories for the past couple of years or so, you should be able to see that more & more People by the day are starting to step up & enforce it.

When the US Founding Forefathers wrote the Constitution, that's when the true "New" World Order began & that's why I refer to it as such; It was the first time in all of human history that all political power started with the People by Common Law. The only thing that the Constitution itself did was delegate certain limited sovereign powers to the State Governments (which all have their own Constitutions as well), then down to the national government. The strict limits on those delegated powers were made to be a matter of Common Law & the Supreme Law of the Land. In short, what made the Constitutional Republic of America so new is that it took the Old World Order's "Pyramid of Power" & turned it upside down! A pyramid that sits balanced on its capstone!

And the ironic thing is, IT WAS WORKING FINE until getting gradually corrupted from within by "agents" of the Old World Order, through stealth, deceit & treachery! One example of how well it was working is that, until the government was corrupted enough to establish the unlawful Federal Reserve Bank, there was no public debt caused by the government! No "federal deficit" at all!

But just as history has proven, time & time again, when the People have had enough of the deceit & treachery, that old-style pyramid has always collapsed...Either collapsing under the weight of its own corruption or by weakening the nation enough for invasion. That's the only thing that the Old World Order is good for...Strengthening the People to continue opposing it! Deceit & corruption is the only way the OWO can survive, like a parasite on society.

Originally posted by populardisbelief
Lycurgus (of Sparta) utopia, where wealth and gold or silver commanded no respect and this one really existed for some time

When you refer to the Spartans, you have to remember that their situation was much different from ours in the USA; For one, Sparta was a land-locked, independent city-state in Greece: Greece never was unified into a single geo-political whole. When Lycurgus switched Sparta from a gold/silver economy, he rendered Spartans largely immune to the greed of the "Merchant Class," as I described in Future Shock; Merchants couldn't corrupt the Spartans with greed, because the merchants didn't want any Spartan "money." Sparta had no ports, no navy & no foreign trade except through other Greek City-States.
But America had no such situation...more than half of America is surrounded by coastline, but as long as we still had our money backed by gold/silver without a privately-owned foreign-based banking instutution controlling the economy, there was no problem. The Constitution had delegated the power to "coin our money & determine the value thereof; & of foreign coin" to Congress! But the Federal Reserve Act unlawfully "re-delegated that power to the Fed Res Bank, a foreign-originated, privately-owned banking corporation. Then, in 1933, after the federal government had already borrowed more Fed Res "fiat money" than we had in the treasury, the Fed Res called that debt due & to be paid in gold...Then, like a bunch of idiots, the government passed the Emergency Banking Relief Act, which called on the citizens to sell their gold back to the government & made it "illegal" to use gold as currency...Thus giving the Fed Res Bank a total monopoly on the economy with its fiat Federal Reserve Notes. Right now, today, the Federal deficit is so high, that it "owes" the Fed Res more FRN's than actually exist in the whole world.

And the only real backing that props up the U$ Dollar is its link to oil. That's why the US Government keeps invading the Middle East countries today...They want to make certain that the OPEC nations keep that link between the Dollar & the oil! Yeah, that's right...We're at war right now to keep propping up an illegal economy! This is what the Old World Order is all about...Keeping truths like this out of view of the public eye. I think it was a Rockefeller who once said that "if the general public ever knew what we're really doing, we'd be running away from lynch-mobs." Or was it a Rothchild? I'm not entirely certain.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Are you kidding me? Free? What freedom exactly? Do you think that even when most people were living as semi-nomadic hunter gatherers they didn't have "rules" and strict social constraints?

Sure they did...Even in small tribal groups, it was up to the chief to act as the "governing power" to enforce "common rules" between people so that the society could maintain peace. If the chief got too far out of hand, then the individuals in the tribe would remove the chief (most often, violently) & set up a new chief.

That's what the Bill of Rights was written for...To have a set of "common rules" for everyone in America. The bulk of the Constitution was the "blueprint" for establishing the "governing power" to enforce those common rules between people. When the government gets too far out of hand, the Constitution has peaceful & legal ways to remove the government & set up a new one, before it comes down to violence. When those peaceful & legal means aren't working, that's when the People will have to resort to force. Look at the second paragraph in the Declaration of Independence (excerpted):

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

See what I mean? What made the Constitutional Republic different from the Old World Order is that it established peaceful means to use first (1st Amendment Right to Petition for Redress of Grievances), before having to resort to violence.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Survivalists in the US today are able to survive because of the luxury and stability afforded by a centralized government. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, people. Modern, centralized government as A LOT of perks.

That much is true...But the Constitution establishes how much centralization that the government is allowed to have, through the system of "checks & balances" between the three Branches. But still, overall, it's up to the People to keep those Constitutional limits enforced. As I've described earlier in this post, the federal government still comes in third place when it comes to delegated powers, therefore limits must be maintained. This all still falls within Pjotr's post describing the "relative scale" of centralization/decentralization; The problem with governments in general is that they tend to seek out the most extreme centralization & that's what the Constitution was written to prevent & for the People to enforce.

So it's irrelevant that the OP wants to instate the misnamed "New" World Order...It's really still just the Old World Order trying to survive by the only means it has, treachery & deceit. BTW, I notice that the OP has had very little to say over the past few pages of this thread...

Ahh the ISM, yes it all sounds so perfect until you actually use your head and think about the ramifications of such a system.. the ISM, watch and learn.

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So why can't the fed be banned without resorting to a one world government? And why should it be replaced with another institution just like it but controlled by new people? Why not just skip all this and return to hard money?

Been a while since I posted. I appologize. I am sure I was not too badly missed having read some of the posts

So, like I said, I knew it was going to be like teaching the world is not flat, but, really?

Ok, I think after having read some of the other forums, and their poster's ~ahem~ concerns, I have a way of explaining this concept your sort may understand:

The NWO is nesecary and YES it is INEVITABLE because we must unite all of our world's power against the true enemy. The true enemy is coming, and in our current state of disarray, we are sitting ducks to there dominence. That's right. NWO is nesecary to defeat the impending reptillian threat that is coming to eat your sons and drain the planet of it's resources...

ofcourse that's completel sarcasm, but something tells me I would have been better received having stated that in my first post.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
So why can't the fed be banned without resorting to a one world government? And why should it be replaced with another institution just like it but controlled by new people? Why not just skip all this and return to hard money?

John F. Kennedy tried that with Executive Order 11110 & it was actually starting to work at the monumental task of "weaning" us from the Fed's fiat currency & back into a US Treasury-backed gold/silver standard...But after he was assassinated, the Fed pushed the government into pulling Kennedy's Treasury-backed Notes out of circulation. Still, EO 1110 has never been repealed, as far as I know...It's just been "ignored" & unenforced by all other subsequent Presidents.

Originally posted by 1nt3rp0l
The NWO is nesecary and YES it is INEVITABLE because we must unite all of our world's power against the true enemy. The true enemy is coming, and in our current state of disarray, we are sitting ducks to there dominence. That's right. NWO is nesecary to defeat the impending reptillian threat that is coming to eat your sons and drain the planet of it's resources...

ofcourse that's completel sarcasm, but something tells me I would have been better received having stated that in my first post.

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson
"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day." -- Thomas Jefferson

Of course, if the OWO (Old World Order) really wants The People to organize for opposing a threat, then there's no reason to keep the nature of that threat hidden, is there?...So the real goal of the OWO is not to save humanity, but to enslave it. That's been the overriding goal of this kind of "control-freak" all the way down through human history, so yes, they'd have plenty of reason not to "enlighten the People generally." This kind of secrecy is not conductive to survival, but to slavery.

Would you like to have some info on the type of mentality it takes to serve this "NWO" of yours? Heh! usually refer to them as "midbrain people" because they have little use for the higher-level functions of the human forebrain...I therefore refer you to this post of mine in another thread that links to some source material too: It's about how the OWO actions are based only from personal greed. Right over here is another good read too...About the difference between Law & how the OWO perverts & violates it constantly, all due to greed of course.

Hmmm...Aren't all Presidents required to take an Oath of Office to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States?" Oh yeah, that's right...It's in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land! Gee, doesn't the Constitution also require a similar Oath of Office for everyone "serving" in all three Branches, both State & Federal levels? Oh yeah, that's right...It's in [url=http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article6]Article 6, Clause 3! Gee, I still remember the Oath of Office I took when I joined the Navy...That's an Oath of Office required by all Government Officials, right down to the local Dog Catcher!

Not only that, but the Constitution also mentions the form of government they're required by legally-binding Oath to preserve, right in Article 4, Section 4...What's with this "promoting Democracy" BS when they're required to practice a Republican form of government? Gee, even more Oath-Breaking! For holding positions of Public Trust, they've certainly gone a long ways of betraying our trust, haven't they?

Talk about OWO Law-Breakers being in positions of law-making (Congress), law enforcement (Executive) & law-interpretation (the Judiciary)...How can you possibly put your own trust in those who've only proven themselves as completely untrustworthy?

Well, it may come as news to you, but people are becoming "enlightened generally," but with absolutely no help from your precious "NWO!" Their best "efforts" at educating the People has been only to indoctrinate more loyal & tractable servants/slaves. They actually strive to suppress humanity's social evolution towards general enlightenment! How far could we have gone by now if it wasn't for "them" acting to hold us back?

Your sarcasm has been duly noted, but I responded to in a serious manner...If only to debunk the reasons you stated in your sarcasm.

But OP, How can you excuse the genocide of 75% of the planets human population?

YOU Go and surrender your sovereignty to be a damn slave, we could give a rat's a## what you do, but DON'T tell us to give up our freedom. Who the hell do you think you are? Get real. You submit to your New World Order and have your life handed to you and dominated, that's NOT our will nor our desire. They are our enemy, and now so are you. SIMPLE. we need to get serious about this. I'm sure they could use a willful sheep, so go, get out of our presence.

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