reply to post by David9176
I'm in Ohio and this slaps the face of the Ohio legislature. They recently passed a Castle Law, where if you shoot someone in your home and kill
them you do not have to defend your actions to the police. They have to assume you were defending your property. The police have said they feel drug
dealers will lure their competition to their home and shoot them to get them out of the way.
Either way, in Ohio this is going to be hard to swallow if Obama tries to or does this.
Obama Campaign Threatens Legal Action Over NRA Ads , page 1
Topic started on 24-10-2008 @ 05:04 PM by David9176
NRA doesn't seem to like Mr. Obama all that much. They seem to believe he's going to infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights. Who's telling the truth here...here is the link....
www.gunbanobama.com...
There are also links on the page, one of which is his letter to the news agencies, another is a rebuttal to factcheck.org.
Mod Edit: Fixed tags that were stretching the page. Please don't use the code tags. Thanks
[edit on 29-10-2008 by GAOTU789]
Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF). The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running. “Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the truth,” declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF. “Sen. Obama's statements and support for restricting access to firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and hunting.” The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama's anti-gun record.
NRA doesn't seem to like Mr. Obama all that much. They seem to believe he's going to infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights. Who's telling the truth here...here is the link....
www.gunbanobama.com...
There are also links on the page, one of which is his letter to the news agencies, another is a rebuttal to factcheck.org.
Mod Edit: Fixed tags that were stretching the page. Please don't use the code tags. Thanks
[edit on 29-10-2008 by GAOTU789]
reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 05:37 PM by vor78
reply to post by daddyroo45
He's gotten away with it so far. As long as the media keeps letting him off the hook, its going to take him actually enforcing a ban of some type before people will realize how anti-gun he is. I expect that ban is coming sometime in the latter half of next year.
He's gotten away with it so far. As long as the media keeps letting him off the hook, its going to take him actually enforcing a ban of some type before people will realize how anti-gun he is. I expect that ban is coming sometime in the latter half of next year.
reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 08:31 PM by David9176
reply to post by Sonya610
I agree. Enough with the terrorist talk. Everyone knows everything there is to be known about it...he needs to move on. I don't like what Ayers did...but it's out there and the public knows about it...he needs to go after him on gun rights. Why he hasn't done it yet is beyond me. I think he could change some votes for his benefit with this. There are people out there that are leaning Obama...but aren't yet sure about how they feel about him or his policies.
McCain really should jump on this. He needs to shut up about terrorist threats for 5 minutes and address another fear that resonates with a whole lot of people; being stripped of our gun rights.
I agree. Enough with the terrorist talk. Everyone knows everything there is to be known about it...he needs to move on. I don't like what Ayers did...but it's out there and the public knows about it...he needs to go after him on gun rights. Why he hasn't done it yet is beyond me. I think he could change some votes for his benefit with this. There are people out there that are leaning Obama...but aren't yet sure about how they feel about him or his policies.
reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 08:57 PM by David9176
Here are some more quotes and info on his voting record on gun rights:
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 200
The link to this page is here:
www.ontheissues.org...
I really don't like his stance on this. Please McCain...bring this up now!!! Cripes....week and half before election day and this isn't out yet?
Edit: The A's are Obama's actual quotes to the questions asked.
[edit on 24-10-2008 by David9176]
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 200
The link to this page is here:
www.ontheissues.org...
I really don't like his stance on this. Please McCain...bring this up now!!! Cripes....week and half before election day and this isn't out yet?
Edit: The A's are Obama's actual quotes to the questions asked.
[edit on 24-10-2008 by David9176]
reply posted on 26-10-2008 @ 11:46 AM by AmericanDaughter
reply to post by David9176
Ain't That the truth! As an example, my sister is mesmerized by barry which is fine for her I guess but like most b o peeps, the issues don't seem to matter and when I bring any up she calls it propaganda! I'm not being mean but just calling it like I see it. I have come to the conclusion that the barry supporters like what he stands for which to me, spits on our forefathers and our constitution. I Know our father would turn over in his grave if he knew as he fought in two wars; and for what? I don't think it was so we could be a third world socialist 'worker bee' nation.
mcamnesty isn't much better but I don't care what ya'll think, Sarah actually gives a hoot. I just don't get why she's running with him? He creeps me out just looking at him but Nothing like barry whats his name does.
We have a God Given right to own weapons and there will be big trouble If anyone tries to take them
Ain't That the truth! As an example, my sister is mesmerized by barry which is fine for her I guess but like most b o peeps, the issues don't seem to matter and when I bring any up she calls it propaganda! I'm not being mean but just calling it like I see it. I have come to the conclusion that the barry supporters like what he stands for which to me, spits on our forefathers and our constitution. I Know our father would turn over in his grave if he knew as he fought in two wars; and for what? I don't think it was so we could be a third world socialist 'worker bee' nation.
mcamnesty isn't much better but I don't care what ya'll think, Sarah actually gives a hoot. I just don't get why she's running with him? He creeps me out just looking at him but Nothing like barry whats his name does.
We have a God Given right to own weapons and there will be big trouble If anyone tries to take them
reply posted on 26-10-2008 @ 01:07 PM by davion
Originally posted by David9176
What i'd like to know is where are all the Obama supporters on this one? Is this the type of change they want? They will light up the Palin bashing threads but they haven't touched this one yet.
Restrictions on gun ownership? Yep.
Here's a good couple of articles on the NRA being misleading:
Here
Here
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