If socialism is bad, it's time to end the Public School System

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posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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With all the talk about how bad socialism is, and how Universal Health Care is bad, then shouldn't we abolish the Public School System?

It is as socialistic as Universal Health Care. If we abolished it, property taxes would be significantly lower. Those property owners who do not have children would not have to pay for property owners and non-property owners that do. It would put education in the free market, and according to those who oppose Universal Health Care that's a good thing. Teachers would make more money in a free market school system (at least the good ones). In fact, every reason I've heard for why Universal Health Care is bad could also be applied to the Public School System, which by definition is socialized education, so why don't we get rid of it as well, since this is not the 'United Socialist States of America'?




posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:47 PM
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I got rid of the Public School System years ago

It's a movement known as homeschooling

Apparently it works too, my son just got a 30 on his ACT

He's 17 - graduated last year



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:49 PM
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Yes!!!!

I've been saying abolish it since I was old enough to notice how royally F-ed my public school education was. It was glorified daycare at best. Worse even because it forced everyone to adapt to the lowest common denominator.

Leaving private school was the worst thing that could have happened to my education and I'm still making up for all I missed.

Thanks government school.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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dont forget the socialist police and fire service

i can just see a bunch of fireman stood on the end of someone drive tutting and shaking thier heads and mumbaling about how easy and quickly it could burn before asking the owner if they have ever thought of buying fire service security



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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Add Social Security, VA benefits, Medicare, Medicaid and anything else to that list.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Oooh, you just reminded me that socialism is built into the Constitution! The military is just socialized defense! Should be given to private defense firms!!! Some of it has already!



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Actually I don't think that would be such a bad idea. Have you seen our public schools lately? Not that they are all bad but I would have no problem cutting out taxes for schools and going all privately owned schools.
If you want an example of how poorly our schools are run look at this debacle. $84 Million in the whole
1,100 employees, including about 550 teachers layed off because of mismanagement of funds.
I would say that it does not always work that great.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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tax is now down about 50%
why not get rid of the whole goverment and save the other 50%



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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Well, I guess you have to start somewhere.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by noobfun
tax is now down about 50%
why not get rid of the whole goverment and save the other 50%


Now we're talking. It's just a matter of time as that's the inevitable outcome. Wait, isn't it Marxist to talk about getting rid of the state as the final goal?



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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I hate to disagree with you, but if we get rid of the Public School System, education would only be available to those who could afford it. Is that really what you want? Think about it. My point in this thread is that we absolutely need some socialized things. Some are using the word 'socialist' without really thinking about it. 'Socialist' does not automatically mean 'Communist'. If we get rid of all 'socialist' programs, we will become a third world country faster than you can say 'President Obama'!! It's a word used to scare voters and mislead them.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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I understand that we do have some socialist programs in this country and some of them work fine, but the schools are a problem. If you had all private schools then there would be competition, thus lowering the cost to go. They could still give scholarships like privately run colleges.
I am not saying that this is a definite fix, I am only making a suggestion, and I appreciate how you disagreed with me without getting ugly about it. Nice to see someone being courteous without being demeaning.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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I agree the public school system seems like a waste of tax payers money,my kids were in a private school,after I was injured and my income was slashed to about an 1/8,I put my kids in public school,my 2nd to youngest son was constantly getting in trouble for writing in curtsive writing,he was taught that in Kindergarten,to make a long story short he was in 1st grade reading at a grade 12 level,was sad seeing kids slowly slip into the public school mode,was the worse thing that could have happened,now they hear their teachers whine how they don't get paid enough or how they never get time off,used to be teachers were people who enjoyed their jobs,now they are overpaid,and constantly bitching



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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As anyone in an inner city/urban area knows public schools are a joke. Tell me how much money it will take to fix the public schools in my home state, Indiana. Indianapolis has just over a 30% graduation rate. Tell me how much to make it normal. But when you do that also tell me how private schools can have double or triple that graduation rate with less money per student.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Now we're talking. It's just a matter of time as that's the inevitable outcome. Wait, isn't it Marxist to talk about getting rid of the state as the final goal?


shocking!!! maybe i should ask our queen if she has a spare crown .. you could try a monarchi

king Barak the social hearted .. got a good ring to it



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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Don't forget prisons too, that's the governments housing scheme. That should save a few billion dollars.

And the postal service too - we have e-mail. Oh, libraries can be ended as well - the internet can replace books.

Man, our reforms make fiscal conservatives look like socialists



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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OK, from reading the posts in this thread, I can see that some are missing my point. Sure, the Public School System is screwed up, but as an 'old timer', I can tell you that is our fault. A few decades ago, we took the teeth out of the system. When I was a kid, if you screwed up, didn't do the work, or mouthed off to a teacher, you got punished. And when you got home, you got punished again, only worse. Somewhere, we decided that corpral punishment was wrong. I'm reminded of an old saying; "Spare the rod, spoil the child". Well, now we have at least three generations of 'spoiled children'.

Now, teachers are not allowed to physically restrain children, let alone punish them. Parents are not allowed to punish their children in public, lest they have social services called on them and risk having their children taken away. I realize that we, as a society cannot condone child abuse, but instead of drawing the line between suitalbe punishment and abuse, we decided to just abolish corpral punishment altogether. Now our children do not learn important lessons like there are serious consequences to their actions. Instead we try to 'reason' with them, which is just ludicrous. Instead of failing our children when they don't know the required information to progress to the next grade, we pass them so as not to damage their 'psyche'. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM!!!

Now, back on topic, Universal Health Care is something we should have. We claim to live in the greatest nation on Earth, yet we have many citizens who cannot afford basic health care. So many Americans are just one health crisis away from bankruptcy. The Obama Health Care Plan isn't even 'socialized' health care. Under his plan, if you do not have health care, then you can purchase the health care plan available to Federal employees. That is a very important distiction. I feel that is an improvement, but I also feel that it is not far enough. If health care was truly 'socialized' then those who get into the field would not do so to become wealthy, as most doctors do now, but would do so simply because they care about people. I would much rather have health care providers who are there because they care, rather than the greedy system we have now. Do you think teachers do what they do for the money? No, they do it because they care about the education of your children, but you have tied their hands in the ability to provide a quality education which they deserve.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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YES!! And I am in favor of ending the public school system. I would prefer having my children at home with me as it should be. Everything that I believe in and don't believe in has to be run by the board of school directors and approved by them.

For instance, I am anti saying the pledge of allegience to a flag day after day. I think my kids should be loyal to those in need who are around them and not to feel obligated toward this country per se under the idea of nationalism. I would rather them not make such a pledge of duty before they even understand the concept of what they are pledging.
Though this is the belief that I have felt important to stick to regarding the raising of my children, I am still having to battle it out w/ the school board. These are my children and therefore it is my right to decide what I deem okay to be taught (or not) to them. However, if I don't go through the system to gain the proper approval of others (not just in regards to the pledges, but things such as shots, records, etc etc), my kids could be taken.

I find the public school system to be out of control and to have more authority in the say so of our children than the parents. Most parents are fine with this... I have never been one to just lay down as my values that I want to impart to my children are being undermined and/or discredited.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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I know you say that tounge in cheek.That has happened here where I live.I have been witnessed this sort of behavior first hand.People who didn't pay for "fire protection" wached as the fire dept. hosed down the neighbors house while theirs burned to the ground. I don't know wether it's socialist or not but is in humane.



posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 03:31 PM
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PUBLIC SCHOOLING, SOCIAL WELFARE and FREE HEALTHCARE IS NOT SOCIALISM

Please research socialism and the socialist system. Socialism is not capitalist.

You Americans are still brainwashed from the Cold War..

Its not wrong for your government to use your taxes to help your young/sick/elderly/educations

Your government just pretends that it is so corrupt politicians can spend your hard earned money on big houses/security/war/slavery.

Get a new perspective.

there are no commie's trying to kill you anymore..





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