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I think I understand why conservatives fear liberals.

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posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 04:30 PM
reply to post by QuetzalcoatlAlien

Oh? Do you have anymore to say than that? What part of my post is completely false?

Your opinion my friend is just that, an opinion based on propaganda fed to you through your media.

So please explain to me why what I said was false, we're here to discus not just throw empty opinions around.

Do you know what socialism is? Or do you just assume from what your MSM has told you?

Did the citizens of Russia own the means of production? Do you know the answer?

Socialism, in it's traditional and true definition, means "the workers democratic ownership and/or control of the means of production". Such a definition implies that rather than a government bureaucracy for managing such means, there is a focus on highly democratic organisation, education and awareness, and every individual is encouraged to become an active, rather than passive participant in that which effect their lives.


Well I'll tell ya, no they didn't. Russia had a wealthy elite, and a government that controlled everything, just like in any dictatorship.

Socialism requires NO government, as control under true socialism is organised from the bottom, not the top. If anyone tells you different they are lying.

I sir am a Libertarian Socialist, the only true form of freedom. Workers control of their labour, and no government to interfere.

It is recognized that there are authoritarian systems and behavior, distinct from libertarian, or non-authoritarian ones. Since capitalism's early beginnings in Europe, and it's authoritarian trend of wage-slavery for the majority of people (working class) by a smaller, elite group (a ruling, or, capitalist class) who own the "means of production": machines, land, factories, there was a liberatory movement in response to capitalism known as "Socialism". In almost every case, the socialist movement has been divided along authoritarian, and libertarian lines. The anarchists on the libertarian side, and the Jacobins, Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, and reformist state-socialists on the authoritarian side. (And liberals more or less split down the middle.)

Authoritarian socialism is what the west portray as the only socialism there is. It's a lie. State socialism is not really socialism at all, but a dictatorship wrapped in sheep clothing. Marx, Lenin et al were nothing but statists who's goals were to destroy socialism by state control.

You all claim you love freedom and liberty, but most of you don't even know what those words really mean.

I think you all actually fear freedom. You are so used to having 'parents' taking care of you, you wouldn't know what to do without your nanny state telling you how to think and act.

We can organise ourselves, we don't need government by the rich for the rich.

posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm a liberal, and, while I don't like the current political climate, I think it helps to be a neutral observer at times, and look back in history to understand where the right comes from. If you look at history as a whole you can see that people on the far right have ended up like Adolf Hitler, whereas, people on the far left have ended up being extreme-leftists, like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, and, Joseph Stalin in Soviet Russia.

A lot of them just don't like the fundamental basics of your politics and world view. It isn't that complicated actually.

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