These 'Call To Action' and 'Time to Overthrow the Government' threads need to stop

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


oh i do want us to act, but the thing is ... its been 5 years since someone first brought this thought out in the open .... 5 years is a pretty long time to be discussing something ... especially when the threads call for people to start doing stuff like right then and there or the next day and as we both know nobody really has done anything ... on a nationwide scale....

reply to post by baseball101


Well, as I'm sure you know by now, they shut down my thread for trying to take some action. It is apparently a violation of the T & C, which I was not aware of. Therefore, what you want people to do, is illegal, according to the T & C. I'm surprised your thread has not been closed also. You cannot solicit people to take any action, be it political, or social.

reply to post by kyred


but if it does come to this, we would have to come together and work together
there more of us than there is military

If something needs to happen absolutely it will naturally. I hope.

Originally posted by baseball101
... no offense but i have NEVER seen any proof that there has been an actual carrying out of plans drawn up by the members of ATS ... ya it's nice thinking about what we could do, but it'd be nice if we actually DID IT. Don't ask me how to do it because i have no clue ... i personally think threads like these are getting old fast ... nothing ever gets accomplished ... ideas get thrown around and possibly even a plan is drawn up ... but nothing ever comes from it ... they're just like every other thread ... they'll die down in a month or so...
[edit on 23-10-2008 by baseball101]

WHAT?!?

Are you telling me that all the superior strength ultimate warrior conditioned ex-Navy seals with a grudge don't know how to make mint julep teriyaki sauce with some bird crap, water and a magnifying glass?

Dude your wrecking my image of fellow ATS'ers!

From what I read everyone here is a security expert, belted in martial arts and the karma sutra, has a 'stockpile" of food, an awesome easy to cultivate garden of endless vegetables, solar power they are feeding back to the grid and a cold gun that somehow has been permanently stuck to their fingers until they are dead.. (at which I assume the glue dissolves or something)

Are you telling me that the people here are all TALK and NO substance?

Damn.. I've been snookered!

I don't really post here all that often, but I do a lot of reading here as I find many of the topics interesting and it's also a good place to compare the research I've done with the research and opinions of others.

I can't help but wonder about those who want to silence us from discussing things. It makes people feel better to know that there are others out there that have the same concerns, fears, feelings and desires as they do. Here on ATS, it is almost exclusively full of people who accept these kinds of opinions as opposed to talking with family or friends who would think you were crazy or just didn't want to hear about it. This place is refreshing just to read through. Why must some of you say we should just shut up because we can't orchestrate some kind of world wide uprising? You do realize how close to impossible that would be, right? That kind of uprising would take a lot more than one website, but it's a start. We are sharing our thoughts with others who have the same thoughts and that is comforting to know we aren't alone in those thoughts. The word is getting out.

When this thing really kicks up into action, that is when the reaction of the people will come and those that were here on ATS will know more about what's going on and may even be more prepared with food, water and all that stuff.

As someone else said here, if you don't like the threads, then don't read them and let people vent and discuss things with other posters. Even if threads don't come to some worldwide action, the content isn't forgotten to those that participated in those threads. I don't think anyone wants what is coming and it may be hard for many to believe we have come to this point and that it's really happening. Futhermore, it's not against the law to talk about what is discussed here as others have claimed. It's called free speech and the constitution allows the people to overthrow a corrupt government, so how could it be illegal to talk about it with others who feel the same way especially when, as you say, no action comes from it?

reply to post by Kratos1220


Yes, you are right. But people like the poster got their way. My thread WAS shut down, even though my Thread was only a call to get people to exercise their free right to boycott corporations. I stressed that there should be no violence, and no one should break any laws. Although a few posters did say they wanted to resort to violence as the only answer, I called them out on it, and repudiated such calls.
On the other hand, ATS is a private enterprise, and they can make the rules they want, because we did agree to them, when we registered.
I just did not think that getting people to act was a violation of T & C. I guess I was wrong.
I also understand that there are HSD and other moles on ATS at all times, and I am sure that ATS is very concerned that they may be shut down. I certainly agree that people calling for violent revolution should not be posting though.
It is a shame though, that rules are used to suppress free and peaceful speech, but those are their rules, and we either accept them or leave.

The ironic thing is that the OP on this thread criticized people like me for being all talk, and no action, and yet we were shut down by his complaint EXACTLY because we were taking action, although peaceful, non-violent, and not breaking any government laws.
The OP now has what he wants, an ATS where people can wonder whether the aliens will land on the White House lawn next Nov, 11th, or whether the world will end in 2012, or whether Elvis and Hilter are still alive and running an alien disco, but we cannot really discuss issues that affect our everyday lives, and those of the entire world, without the threat of having our threads closed.

reply to post by baseball101


I somewhat agree with the essence of what you are saying. Seems like to many are wanting to rely on others to take actions before they follow suit. People define "overthrow the gov't" as a storming of the white house with guns in hand when what any successful leader of revolts has shown is that it always must be personal and will be less dramatic in action in the beginning.


btw... powerful message in your avatar. Very true and something more americans should be aware of.

www.youtube.com...

Great Video of a leader for a Miltia talking to Senate Committee Oct. 22nd

someone is starting to listen. whish the video was more than 4 min.

Unless we amass great amounts of people world-wide, I doubt we will have much effect.

This is certainly possible though, setting up groups in every (western probably) country in order to return order to things.

The way it stands now, we are 'modern day slaves'. The elite's own the people, and this need to change for our world to really move forward as a civilization. How one approaches this, I am unsure. But certainly discussion is healthy, and rather than us just saying we 'should' do something... we should work out exactly WHAT we can do.

In Australia, any person/group can start a political party. I am unsure how this is world-wide, but that could certainly be a start. A 'group' would be better than running as independent, as what you say will have more behind it.

The human population of the world need to make a choice... do we sit here and watch the governments and the elites control us? Do we allow 30,000+ children to die everyday in other countries because we only serve our own self interest?

We as a society need to get past the idea that we are citizens of a country, and are rather citizens of earth.
Unfortunately though, I fear it is going to take a 'world war' type scenario for everybody to wake up and realise what we're doing to ourselves.

Whilst there is racism, discrimination and money (greed/elite) there will always be an imbalance in our society. The only way it will change is if the people as a whole make it happen.

reply to post by realist00

In Australia, any person/group can start a political party. I am unsure how this is world-wide, but that could certainly be a start. A 'group' would be better than running as independent, as what you say will have more behind it.

In the United States, you can start a political party. However, getting on the ballot is another problem. each state has it's own set of regulations as to how to get on a ballot. Here is a link that explains the problem in the US:
rangevoting.org...

Here is the pertinent main point though:

Among the world's democracies, the United States has by far the worst ballot access situation. Each state writes its own ballot access laws, even for federal office. Sometimes these laws clearly are intentionally written to force one- or two-party domination. Since there is no single standard for the whole nation, the public and even the media are generally ignorant about ballot access laws.

Here are some of the worst states:

Georgia:
Georgia in 1943 required new party and independent candidates to submit a petition signed by 5% of the number of registered voters in order to get on the ballot for any office! Previously, any party could get on the ballot just by requesting it. (And all petition signers are subject to subpoena to determine if they actually signed.) Result: since 1943, zero third-party candidates have ever managed even to get on the ballot for a Georgia U.S. House of Representatives seat (in about 800 races total).
Florida:
The ballot access laws for third parties and independent candidates have been very severe since 1931. Since then only two third party candidates for the U.S. House of Representatives and only one for the U.S. Senate have managed to get on the ballot. (And there has been no third party or independent candidate on the ballot for Governor of Florida since 1920.) As of 2005, a filing fee of 7% of the annual salary of the office is also required unless the candidate is a pauper, while a third party or independent candidate for any statewide office (other than US president) needs 196,255 valid signatures – beyond what any independent candidate in any state in the USA has ever obtained.
Texas:
To run for Texas Governor as an Independent in 2006, Richard S. "Kinky" Friedman had to acquire 45000 signatures in a short time, all of them notarized. He accomplished that, but found it almost impossible and claims it had never been done before.
Arkansas:
New parties, to get on ballot, require by 1971 law a petition signed by a number of voters exceeding 7% of the last vote cast. A court held that unconstitutional in 1977, so they changed it to 3%. Also, the petition must be completed in four months during the odd year before an election year. No political party has ever succeeded in getting on the Arkansas ballot, under either rule.
West Virginia:
This one is an elegant "catch-22." Third party and independent candidates for office (other than US president) must circulate their petition before the primary. It is a crime for any petition circulator to approach anyone without saying "If you sign my petition, you cannot vote in the primary." Furthermore, it is impossible for third party or independent candidates (not running for US president) to ever know in advance if they have enough valid signatures because if anyone who signs a candidate's petition then votes in a primary, the signature of that person is invalid. For candidates, it is impossible to know who will actually vote in the primary, and it is too late to get signatures after the primary. Also: petition circulators cannot leave their home precinct.
Minnesota:
1961 law requires petition to be completed within a 2-week period.
Maryland:
1941 law requires all petition signers to be published in one newspaper in each county in the state, by the collector of the petitions.

To further show how undemocratic the laws are, take the Lieberman race of 2006:

"Sore loser laws" designed to foster major-party rule and prevent dissent

In 2006, nationwide attention was focused on the Democratic Party primary for the Connecticut senate race. Newcomer Ned Lamont beat out incumbent senator Joe Lieberman. Lieberman then decided to continue to run as an independent, leading to a 3-way race between Lamont(D), Lieberman(I) and Alan Schlesinger(R). This made it a "spoiler" scenario likely in which Lieberman and Lamont would split the vote allowing the Republican Schlesinger (who was less popular than either and had been involved in big money gambling under the fake name "Alan Gold," causing State GOP Chair George Gallo to moan – quoted in the Hartford Courant – "Our mistake is that we only vetted candidates using their real names, not aliases"; the Courant further reported that Schlesinger had been sued twice by casinos to collect unpaid gambling debt) to win.

Actually, after all the top Republicans in sight endorsed Lieberman and abandoned Schlesinger, it became pretty much a 2-man race between L & L.

Lost in the furor surrounding this – which the US press kept remarkably silent about – was the fact that in most of America Lieberman would not even have had the option of pressing on as an independent. According to Richard Winger in Ballot Access news, 46 states have either explicit "sore loser laws" or simultaneous filing deadlines making a post-primary shift impossible for any candidate other than a presidential one. Only Connecticut, Iowa, New York and Vermont allow such a loophole for "sore losers". The previous 2 sentences were quoted from Troy Schneider's New York Times op-ed 16 July 2006. And in 11 states it is not permitted for anybody who is (or recently was) a member of a political party, to run independent for any seat!

These laws are of course specifically designed to safeguard the two major parties from those annoying "spoiler scenarios" of precisely this sort. But – is that fair and democratic? Lieberman, according to polls conducted in the very same week as his primary defeat, actually had more support Connecticut-wide, than either Lamont or Schlesinger! But under this sort of law, just because it was convenient for party leaders to brand Lieberman a "sore loser," the most popular choice of the voters would actually be prevented from running! This is the most undemocratic possible outrage!

It makes you realize what an illusion Democracy really is in America. One person is hand-picked from each party by an inner group, and steered into primary wins, they are both peas in the same pod, all others are excluded, and viola, you choose one of the two chosen ones.

Those holding the real power laugh up their sleeves watching people think that THEIR candidate, the one they voted for, wins. If they only knew that neither choice is THEIR candidate, but a small group who behind the curtain, pull ALL the strings. The Illusion is complete. Ignore that person behind the curtain, said the Wizard of Oz.

And that is your bedtime story for tonight, kiddies. Sweat dreams.

reply to post by Kratos1220


i have no problem with the ideas that they present i just think it gets annoying seeing these threads pop up and nothing ever resulting from them ... it's like what's the point? i think it's pretty much a known fact that most ATSer's want the 'ways' of 'the government' to change ... so why keep talking about it ... when this is JUST a conspiracy etc web site

reply to post by ninthaxis


haha sorry buddy i could care less about the points, just merely posting my opinion ... you've got to admit the threads are getting a little out of control ... i don't understand why people who make these new threads just don't contribute to old threads that talk about the exact things

this guy is an idiot and needs to hand over his membership

reply to post by baseball101


I do not have to admit anything is out of control here . There are many viable solutions that have been posed here. Ultimately, I see the problem lies with the viewer of the threads and not the creators. It would be like going to the store and complaining about too many different types of bread I can buy while shopping at a bakery outlet. If I want less choices, I wouldn't go to a specialty store now would I?

Originally posted by seejanerun
My understanding is that you can want to over throw the government, you just can't voice or try to do it through violent means. I have yet to hear anyone state they want to achieve this violently.

I usually try to stay away from these types of threads, but I think it is wrong to say you can't want the current government or form of government out. Thomas Jefferson said that we need a revolution every 75 years because things have gotten so screwed up by that time that it can't be fixed. (what he said but not verbatim) So even the forefathers knew something at sometime would be wrong.

Just my 2 cents

Allow me to correct you about a couple of things. Jefferson said every 30 years (check out my super sweet sig). And, hi my name is Patrick. You've just met some one who has the desire to overthrow this crap government using violence. Never been scared of a fight and the people running our country are stripping us of every right we have systematically. While others stand by when its time to act, i will act. And when it's time every one will know. The time is close.

HA turned it around on your thread title!!! I will use your anti-overthrow the government thread and turn into my pro-overthrow the government thread. **smiles wickedly**

Revolution people, thats what its all about. This is our country. Working men and women with families pay taxes to support a government that just gave 700 billion to their rich friends on wall street and left the working man and his family with the damages. WELL I WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MISTAKES AND NEITHER WILL MY CHILDREN! Do you realize that with 700 billion dollars worth of bail out money you could give every American citizen including children 300,000 dollars???? That would have helped out the American economy i think. BUT NO!!! They keep taking from the average and giving to the elite. Well my friends, soon we'll correct that.
I'm not trying to be cryptic... i'm just trying not to get locked up.

Think about this though, when there are soldiers in front of our homes telling us to surrender our weapons and do what we're told.... What will you do? Fall in line and reap the "benefits" of the NWO? Or will you resist and keep your honor and try to do what is right for your countrymen and the future of our children. WE ARE ALL FREE MEN AND WOMEN. THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT FROM US... ONLY WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO GIVE THAT UP. REVOLT! KEEP OUR COUNTRY FREE AND RESTORE TRUE DEMOCRACY, NOT THIS CAPITOLIST COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM FRANKENSTEINISM THAT WE HAVE GOING RIGHT NOW.

reply to post by W3RLIED2

Do you realize that with 700 billion dollars worth of bail out money you could give every American citizen including children 300,000 dollars????

Someone needs to learn to use a calculator. With an approximate US population of 305 million, that leaves each man, woman and child with $2300. You were missing a few decimal places in your hyper-inflated claim.

Edit, I missed a zero of my own.

[edit on 28-10-2008 by ninthaxis]

yeah good call i got a little into the moment

scratch my 300,000 remark everyhting else stands though.

reply to post by BANNED_4_LIFE_FROM_GLP


you know i don't feel that was really necessary lol i would have taken ur post seriously if you actually had some credentials to back yourself up, you haven't seen all of the threads about this issue .... there is no need to keep posting new threads about the same topic ... so make sure you do your research and have more then a day as a member under your belt before you go talking *snip* about other members.

Such talk is seditious and goes beyond the right to free speech.