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You will find that the instigator of the anecdotal "Jesus died for our sins", was Saul who became Paul... and who killed Jesus' brother in order to assume Control of the fledgling movement.
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to post by badmedia
It was not specific in the wise you make it. It did not say the others the same. No word "other" appears. Making leaps like that are just for you alone though.
And trust me you wouldnt want to put up with the same saved enduring for life. Or would you?
Originally posted by slymattb
I kinda get what Mabus is saying. I think he talking about who is saved where they are and who is not. He also said that you don't want to be saved. I think when you are saved you are changed into a different being. So you are not the same but are different. But you said you don't want to be saved which I don't get. To be in hell and fire your not saved. Under God and Jesus you are saved so I am lost to what you meant.
I guess the better question Mabus is whether you believe in the bible as the word of God. That there is a God, that Jesus die for your sins and that their is life after death. Mabus you got alot of knowledge of the bible in you. The question is if your really a believer or not???????
Originally posted by earthchild
Well I just refuse to get into the organised religion thing, no matter who they are.
I still consider myself a spiritual person and I live a good life. I try to be good to other etc etc, without being judgmental and holier than thou.
A lot of the people calling themselves priests etc and acting in Gods name aren't really good people as far as I'm concerned.
Does it mean I'm banned from heaven, if there is such a place, just because I refuse to be baptised? I don't think so.
If the spirit is meant to go on, it'll go on.
Meanwhile, I am just trying to make sure I do the best I can in this life.