thanks yarcofin im gonna check out the zeitgeist movement maybe they wont be as much a disappointment as anonymous...

Originally posted by OneManBand
Im british and I'm in, but this is just too American.

Hi OMB.

I would love to hear any ideas that you or other Britains (or Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc...) have to contribute.

What about what has been discussed so far do you find "too American"? How or what do you think should be done differently?

Aislin

The "Silent Majority" was used to gain power (although it really sounded too much like being a victim IMO), I rather like the name "Loud Majority", or "Screaming Majority" as the antithesis group.

It would be AWESOME to have an independent President in the office. I would vote for Ron Paul, but I'm worried about "throwing my vote away". I know - that's a pretty gutless point of view, but I think it describes a lot of people. If I knew there was a surge of voters coming forward to vote for him - I'd be more inclined to do it. How can we raise awareness that people still have a choice? My other concern is that even if he did get the popular vote - they'd find a way to keep him out of office.

This reminds me of a show I watched yesterday. Would have enjoyed seeing it through, but was past my bed time...

During Chicago’s 1968 Democratic convention, antiwar protesters—denied permits to march—fought for their right to be heard. Eight of the most vocal activists were charged and brought to trial in a courtroom circus that pitted activism against the establishment. This film mixes animation with archival footage to explore the buildup to, and unraveling of, the Chicago Conspiracy Trial. Set to the music of revolution, it portrays the struggle of Americans attempting to confront an oppressive government.

[link]http://www.wned.org/TV/features.asp?type=top_picks&id=993[/link]

Originally posted by baseball101
not to kill this thread or anything but .....couldn't brainstorming sessions like these be considered acts of treason? IMO i think that the people of ATS are all talk ... no offense but i have NEVER seen any proof that there has been an actual carrying out of plans drawn up by the members of ATS ... ya it's nice thinking about what we could do, but it'd be nice if we actually DID IT. Don't ask me how to do it because i have no clue ... i personally think threads like these are getting old fast ... nothing ever gets accomplished ... ideas get thrown around and possibly even a plan is drawn up ... but nothing ever comes from it ... it'll be just like every other thread ... it'll die down in a month or so...

[edit on 23-10-2008 by baseball101]

Which make me think of The Zeitgeist movement again....seriously people, as far as ANY movement is concerned isnt this the one we should be focusing on??? If you dont know about it then at leasdt look into it.

well??

how about we start a heavy metal band and preach against the man


AAAAAAH # THE MAN!!!!

Whats with people bashing Zeitgeist these days anyway..even if the original movie gets it wrong in a few places...so what?? its not done to deceive us...The movies are exactly what the people need to know, the message is a good one and with regard to people starting to "wake-up" and see all the hidden wrongs of the world. Zeitgeist will go a long way towards this (well it already has done)

Simple fact is the oppertunity IS here now to make a difference thanks to the publicity of this film , and as already said TZM will very quickly have thousands of people devoted to the cause.

There is actually going to be a 'Zday' how cool is that...1 day every year where actual meetings proposing (some kind of) plans/action.

im not one for all this typing, but guys c'mon....you cant seriously think of starting some kind of half-baked movement here...NOTHING will come of it..

oh it all makes me mad.

despite how much i am willing to give and dedicate my life to bettering those around me, and how much i base my life off of love and unity, im getting the idea nothing will speak loud enough to be heard until there is a "radical" movement. there definetely needs to be somekind of mass boycott. im talking from work and all. or osme kind of uprising. i know that sounds extreme, but anything else we do, we still give them control.

what are a few flies buzzing in their ears about peace gonna do? but wasps can cause some damage.

and what was said earlier is true. we start threads, people want to take action, and nothing gets done. LISTEN TO THE WAY WE'RE TALKING PEOPLE!!!! this is real f'ing life! can you grasp this? its not a movie! its not a story! everything we read about in history. everything leads up to this "final cosmic shift". WE are the few born to live out our lives in this very confused very spiritual time. ha. and we use our free will, our power of choice, to sit on our asses and type to eachother what would be great ideas.

the only way they can be stopped is to cut off their roots. money and the control we ALLOW them. if everytime they pulled off some bs like a bailout, people took to the streets, there would be no more bailouts. but the bailout was a test to see how much they can do without us rising up. well just like the case of the boiling frog, its progressing slowly so we accept it. its all too psychological. which is why its pointless to join TZM or any other. we need to join a movement that has a plan of action and a date or a time frame in which this will take place.

we still go to work, we still slave and feed them, out of fear. of bills or bad credit. and it works beautifully unfortunately. im done. take my house my electricity and come and get me. im done hiding and living in fear. and though i will lose my life, maybe one day some child will gain freedom.

selflessness over selfishness folks. its a sacrifice for all future mankind

In Lak'ech

Banks
Pension funds
Insurance companies,

What have they all in common?

They all use the money you bring in to cover for something which could happen to you if something goes wrong in your life, to make far more money on it for the few of them, by silently shopping for much more profit on the majority of your mass deposits, before something really is going to happen to you.

Them, being all three, part of the same greed corporation.
Who controll all of you by keeping all forms of their shopping a corporative secret.
Untill it goes wrong, then all of you must pay the rest of your lifes for their malversations.

The only sane solution:

Make all three, citizens controlled entities.
But don't just change them from one form of a few shareholders controlled moneymaking system to another.
Make the controlling process transparent.

The banks having no trouble in the current situation, are the truely cooperatively owned ones, where all shareholders can ask to look into all the bank's books.

In the current situation, there's a massive evaporation of banking experience by laying off jobs of thousands of banking personel, which could be offered new, much more satisfying jobs in truely transparent new cooperative banks, started by concerned citizens together with those currently layed off.

And offer new jobs to "spendsion" funds and "unsurance" companies personel, to combine and strengthen this new cooperative banking with those new forms of true insurance for possible mayhem and guaranteed pensions.

If you are really pissed off by the current State of the Union, show them, what a truely concerned citizenship can do, to really change the current state of affairs.

CHANGE the corporations to cooperations.
Start up new, cooperatively owned banks.
Start at the grassroots, in your own community.
And put your savings and salaries in your own, cooperatively owned banks.
And quickly combine with other cooperations around you, to gain strength at the state levels.
It's the only solution which will strengthen America, instead of weakening it.

Do something, instead of watching your savings going down the drain.
And stop the outsourcing of life-long collected, valuable know-how.

Well, I for one am not a citizen of the world but of America. It is America that I am moved for and nothing else. We have the best nation of all nations. We should help other nations who aspire to love freedom, but to take care of ourselves first in my priority.

[edit on 22-10-2008 by Fromabove]

I was dissapointed to read your post, I'm more inclined to think we're all in this together whether we like it or not.

Surely by setting someone else free we free ourselves by default so it would be in my interset to help you be free ?

You have a national bailout others have a national bailout each for themselves, we know it's not going to work. Perhaps an international Bail-in from us all would achieve swifter results ?

Tell me to mind my own business if you want, just thought I'd add my 10 cents sorta thing.