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reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:28 PM by feydrautha
reply to post by ProfEmeritus


who will you vote for that is not controlled by the guys in sunglasses, the federal reserve?

not even ron paul could stand up against the immense machinations they control.

the MSM shapes public opinion, disguising it as news.

look how they ignored ron paul out of existence.

see how they overlook everyhting negative about obama and viciously assisinate the character of anyone who speaks out against him?

obama is the fast track to socialism in the states. socialism is how the fed owns us.

mccain is a slower track to this end, ultimately, he has no choice but to obey our masters, too.

who will you elect?


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:29 PM by TheRedneck
Originally posted by danj3ris
...can we perhaps have a list of things that we are fed up with? A list of issues we can try to move against?

OK, here's some ideas:

  • Make it illegal for the government to aid in any way the campaign of any person running for office. That means no more government handouts to the two big parties, and places them on a more level footing with the minor parties.

  • Make it illegal for an elected official to leave their duties for campaigning purposes. And since they set their own schedule of 'breaks' (known to ordinary folks as vacations), limit the amount of time that can be taken off during the year prior to any election. This means those in power must depend on their record to get re-elected, while those not in power have an advantage of being able to spend more time campaigning. term limits would follow naturally, based on performance.

  • Establish a federal ballot encompassing federal elections which must be included on all state ballots. that ends the problem of minor parties having to jump through 50 sets of hoops.

  • Make corporate donations illegal period, as well as limiting donations from individuals. the more people you appeal to, the more ability you have to raise capital. Also limit (or maybe remove?) party-affiliated donations... in other words, you can contribute to the candidates, but not to the party itself.


How's that for a start?

Oh, yeah, one more thing: Why do people keep calling me Libertarian?

TheRedneck


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:34 PM by feydrautha
reply to post by ProfEmeritus


the american people respond to bread and circuses.

how to market the knowledge of the federal reserve in an intriguing, sexy way?

sports analogy? gossip format?

thats the trick, americans have been actively dumbed down for several decades. the downward curve is easily tracked.

the more i read up on the subject, the more the motion picture 'the matrix' looks less like fiction. its nightmarish, how our perception of reality is so easily manipulated.

we've been trained to let others do the thinking for us.

the founding fathers would be despondent if they could see what we've let our country become.

we should be ashamed.

and fed up.



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:35 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheRedneck


That's a fine start.
How about adding uniform set of national debates, where each candidate is invited to participate. Those that chose not to, fine, but allow each one to participate. Each candidate is given equal time. Do not use any MSM persons as moderators.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:37 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

I don't know if I trust the idea of an Internet-based voting system. There are too many reported inaccuracies and concerns about tampering in the present electronic voting system, and placing it on the Internet would only worsen the concerns. Far too many hackers out there. Paper trails are the best solution.

TheRedneck


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:42 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

The national debates are a fine idea, but there are some inherent problems. If no MSM moderators, who would moderate? Who could we trust?

Also, there is the possibility of getting quite a few 'candidates' who are not seriously running (save maybe in their own mind)... people who have the means (money) to get onto the ballot, but no support. Think about how confusing it would be to have 300 people participating in a debate.

Maybe of we required a petition with a reasonable number of signatures to get onto that national ballot... that might get rid of some of the problem...

TheRedneck


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:42 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheRedneck

There are ways to insert checks to detect any hack or inaccuracy that develops, including an encoded reference verification of vote. Most systems are hacked because of poor security standards, and lack of proper audit capabilities.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:45 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheRedneck




Maybe of we required a petition with a reasonable number of signatures to get onto that national ballot... that might get rid of some of the problem...


Absolutely. That is the way I would envision any person that wants to get on the ballot, namely a level of support that shows he/she has sufficient backing to justify them on the ballot. True, we don't want a California situation at the national level.



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:47 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheRedneck




The national debates are a fine idea, but there are some inherent problems. If no MSM moderators, who would moderate? Who could we trust?


As you know, many times a business organization will bring in an impartial moderator to conduct planning sessions, etc. There are people who are professionals that only do that.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:50 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
As you know, many times a business organization will bring in an impartial moderator to conduct planning sessions, etc. There are people who are professionals that only do that.

But what exactly separates them from someone in the MSM? Other than who they work for, that is. See my point?

I'm sure of you looked, you could find someone who worked both jobs.

TheRedneck


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:55 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by TheRedneck


All I can tell you is that they are trained to be impartial, with a strict set of rules and standards. I've been in meetings, where two sides absolutely hated each other, and the professional moderator was able to keep to the rules, and keep the peace, without injecting their ideas into the discussion.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 11:07 PM by picrat
reply to post by ProfEmeritus


why start a third party at this point in time your statement is non of the above.why not have it put on the voters ballot,.
NON CONFIDENCE IN ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS.
bet you they would never do it ,as we could then legally throw them all out of office-don`t bet on it as up here in Canada our provincial government in Ontario elected themselves into office . HOW?52% no show for the vote 48% showed up -thuthfully they were not elected by us ,they elected themselves into office on the few how believed thier lies,not the vote of the people.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 11:20 PM by Anonymous Avatar
As much as I appreciate this thread and I am inspired to find out on a daily basis just how many people are aware of what is going on... the one thing I can still not figure out is where we are heading and how will the average citizen react? How will the military react? How far are the puppets and puppeteers willing to take this?

I have been doing some VERY interesting research which I will start a thread on later that is making me re-think the way the NWO works.

I am almost convinced there is an alternate even more secretive force fighting for good. Where as when you study the history of globalization there are no coincidences, I also find there are far to many coincidences to be chance when they fail.

I am also not so convinced they are convinced they can make their agendas happen so easily however I remain prepared.

As well I think our solution might be learned from simply from watching human behavior and most animals, they do not strike back until pushed into a corner. Nor do humans band together as when faced with an eminent threat. As much as I wish to avoid this scenario I think it ultimately may be necessary for the NWO to push their agenda as hard and as fast as they can for them to fail. With more people informed than ever and with a well armed population such as America the NWO would most certainly be over thrown and sent to hanging galleys.

That being said, I have one nagging problem which this which I cannot decide on and that is the way the NWO brings about their goals is through war and revolution. They have financed the overthrow of so many governments in the past. However this might be different because they financed the overthrow of governments who were not using their banks for currency. Peace is the ultimate enemy of these people who currently run the world and wish to control it with an even tighter grip.

Are the puppeteers so obvious that we can get on a board like ATS and know exactly who they are? I.E. the Rothchilds, Rockefellers, Warburgs, etc. That is the other thing that bothers me... Are we sure who know who is running the show? Are we sure the Rothchilds are not puppets of someone else?

Sorry I am not providing any solutions here... only thoughts going on in my head about what to do. I do not feel I can formulate an answer to the problem when we can not even identify who and what the problem is with 100 percent accuracy.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 11:44 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by Kailassa
We are all citizens of the world.

No, we are all inhabitants of the world. We are citizens of our respective societies.

America has always worked at removing the freedom of other nations.

Name one time when America has tried to conquer the world?

The problem we are discussing is how to take the US back to the way it is supposed to work, away from the very thing you are decrying. Your post is exactly what the problem is with the US: every time people decide to try and take back our government and freedom, and return the USA to its former glory as a beacon of freedom and prosperity to the world, some will crop up and attempt to destroy any progress toward that end by diverting attention from the real problem.

Do you really want the US to cease to exist? Or do you want the US to behave as a free people should, spreading that freedom and hope to those who would desire it, and minding their manners toward those who do not?

You are the reason the US is as it is now. You are the problem. Please throw off those shackles of anger and join us in finding a way to fix the problems you claim to hate, or accept the fact that the hatred you feel is toward your own enabling attitude.

Or, as my father used to say, "Lead, follow, or get the h*** out of the way."

TheRedneck


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 11:51 PM by picrat
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

tis a great site and post but the problems we are all having is a global plague,not just one nation if we are going to change the world and the mindlessness of what has been happening we need to take care the the problem on a global scale.the main problem that we are having is that the global banks and corporations have our governments in their back pockets as they are the elite of the wealthy ,AND WE CONTINUE TO ELECT THEM TO REPRESENT US .look at the billions of dollars backing them and this money is not coming out of the tax payers pockets.
example-J.W.BUSH OIL BARON who by the way his business was paid for by the middle east [Arab]-bin ladens family.public record.
OPEC -controls the worlds oil prices,OPEC means oil producing & exporting countries -name them-Canada middle east ,usa and so on -LAUGH HARD
what we need is a new political party world wide funded for us and by us and supported by all the people of the world. based on one thing a true free democracy -meaning that the people vote on any and all issues no elected person has any say in the matter and the people own the government but this has to be a landslide victory on all levels for it to work,once we own it we control it not the banks or corporations then we the people control it not the few.Switzerland has this form of government it costs them 1% of their gross national product to run their country not the 30 to 60 % it costs us to run our lands now.
the cost of this new form of government is almost nothing , as what ever changes we the new leaders propose has to be handed to the people to read and understand -meaning no legal bull# double talk that most the people don`t understand-plain simple english,publish it in the papers copy out the number needed for every house hold the people have a month to fill in either yes or no .sign it put on your address and voter info send it in majority rules plain and simple .
the problem is how do we reach the masses -the universal language and its people could help[music]

tis an interesting thought is it not -you see if we the people control it we make the changes not them-and it is all legal.
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