Originally posted by BradKell
However, the question asked us to SUSPEND such thoughts and in a way "Invent" how such a behind the seens Upper Level would work.
Of course, this assumes Upper Level Masons exist, and there is no reason to believe they do. What IS a upper level mason? Define it for me.
Originally posted by BradKell
The first step is to create a Face, or to infiltrate an existing good will and use it for your Face. Obviously, in this example, we'll be calling the Mason's the Face. Just to add spice and use names we'll call the Upper the Illumanati. Fun, eh? Now I feel like I'm writing some historic fantasy entrigue novel and can get really creative.
The problem here is that "infiltrating" freemasonry won't get you anywhere if you want to do evil. Its kind of like infiltrating the Salvation Army. The organization is not structured nor appropriately set up for evil purposes - how can you accomplish anything nefarious when the organization is completely decentralized and all offices are only for 1 year?
Originally posted by BradKell
So, this Illumanati was a group in Secrecy. They had two levels. Upper and Lower. These two levels were seperate, but held the same views. Fact is, the Upper created the view and dispensed it to the Lower.
Which means at some point a upper level mason must be in contact with a lower level mason without the lower level mason ever finding out about it. How does this happen over close to 300 years and NO ONE **EVER** finds out about the high level mason? Probability is not on your side.
Originally posted by BradKell
So, people think things (wrong or right) and get angry at the Illumanati. They strike what they can see (the Lower) and the rest (the Higher) withdraw and look for a way to emerge at a safer time.
But the problem is that there is nothing that the High Level Masons can do with their position, so there is nothing to strike out at.
Originally posted by BradKell
The Upper decide the best way is to hide in plain sight until it is safe to be seen again. They target a group of Good Will, thus Enter the Masons.
Which, again, are not suited to accomplish any nefarious purposes - so why would they target masons again?
Originally posted by BradKell
They flood the Mason's with membership of there Upper (and any Lower that may have fled to safe areas with only loose connections to the Illumanati. Leave as little a trail as you can to be followed.) Obviously, some of these guys are very good at politics and advancement, hence being in the Upper. Therefore they strive in the structure of Masonary and begin ascending to higher ranks. When enough get control, they set up an "Invisible Council", they now have enough people to enact change and enough to ensure who they desire rises to join there ranks. THIS is where it would begin.
But you have created a paradox that does not work here: If they had to "infiltrate" the masons, HOW IS IT they were able to make up "high level mason" positions since it didn't exist to begin with?
Originally posted by BradKell
Getting to the High Level here still means little. They still bring in Non-Illumanati to not tip there hand. But they keep the sway of power in favor of there Illumanati. This allows Control of the Organization, which becomes important. However, the Masons (including the Illumanati within) can not in any way tarnish the Image of the Face (Mason's).
The problem here is, yet again, they can't control the organization because it has no supreme coordinating body.
Originally posted by BradKell
So, you put your Upper's in charge of each new 'Project', like each Charity that gets set up. This allows them to control the money and where it goes, thus creating a Siphon that the Lowers don't know about. Uppers get placed in all important positions.
Big problem: all the charity money is recorded and the books are audited. Are you going to claim everyone that audits everything is in on it, too? Quite a large conspiracy. And the larger you make it, the more improbable this is.
Originally posted by BradKell
So, your Uppers Illumanati would want to acquire things that continued to fund there means. Banks, properties, things of that nature. They would need places they controlled to hold such secretive meetings and take care of different business. They would possibly set up a few more fronts, places to launder money, and other places to make it difficult to follow any trails. They would then start acquiring some Law Enforcement and Politicians to protect them.
Except that freemasonry, yet again, DOES HAVE THE STRUCTURAL ORGANIZATION REQUIRED TO ACCOMPLISH ANY OF THIS. It would require a conspiracy so large, with so many people involved and no one ever spilling the beans, that it just isn't reality. The larger the conspiracy becomes, the less likely it is to be real.
