Is it un-American to choose NOT to vote?, page 2
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reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 07:58 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by mrsdudara



What about the Americans that truly think they have seen enough evidence to believe the election process is corrupted?

So, yes, sitting on your butt and doing nothing is unAmerican.


Also, it's not fair to assume someone who doesn't vote is also doing nothing else...

[edit on 22-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:12 PM by mrsdudara
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
What about the Americans that truly think they have seen enough evidence to believe the election process is corrupted?


If an American knows with out a doubt that there is voting fraud taking place, they should report it, call the news crews, papers, etc. But they should still vote.


Also, it's not fair to assume someone who doesn't vote is also doing nothing else...



Im sorry if that came off wrong. Let me make myself more clear. Not voting is unAmerican. Not voting because you think the system is broke, and not doing anything to fix what you saw, is unAmerican.

I am not assuming anything.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:22 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by mrsdudara



America is a nation of apathy.

But I agree, if someone feels the system is corrupt they should do something about it. Fighting injustice and making society better is the moral and civic duty of our Nation.

If an American knows with out a doubt that there is voting fraud taking place, they should report it, call the news crews, papers, etc. But they should still vote.


I'm going to admit that didn't make sense to me.

Why at that point should they still vote?

What I really mean is, at that point, why would not voting still be 'un-American'?

[edit on 22-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:43 PM by jam321
reply to post by ADVISOR




Probably already heard this already, but if you don't vote dont compain.



Problem with that is that we will never be able to distinguish between who voted and who didn't and everybody will still be complaining.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:50 PM by Mercenary2007
reply to post by jam321


well i guess here on ATS in that situation we will be on the honor system then.... none of us would knowing lie to another member of ATS would we?

(i'm not accusing you or anyone of lying BTW!)



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 09:00 PM by ADVISOR
reply to post by jam321



Yes, true. How ever they know if they have or not, and if you see some one in person, or if they honestly answer with a no, then we can always say. You should have voted.

They reply, it wouldn't matter any ways. Look at them and say, you will never know will you.

No vote no voice, that is just me though, and my opinion.

It used to be only land owners could vote, may be it should go back to that. Ensure those critical votes get in.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 09:25 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by Replikant



Thats a better choice. There are some who would say voting for someone who can not win is a wasted vote. I see it as a way to make a statement that you are not satisfied with the choices. I'm at the point where I think I'll end up voting for someone who may not be on the ballot this time.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 09:28 PM by mrsdudara
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



They should still vote, because their vote could still be counted. They could fix the problem.

Another point....a lot of people died so you could stand up and have a say. A lot of women were tortured and died so that women could stand up and have a say. Same goes for blacks. Obviously your opinion, your vote matters. Even if you have to choose between two turd heads like these. Your vote matters so much, that other people before you, laid their lives down. Dude! That is cool. Dont waste a perfectly good voice.



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:18 PM by Wolf321
Many interesting views here. I do think that not voting in America today is Un-American. However, I disagree with those who say that if a person doesn't vote that they shouldn't complain about the way the winner does things. As Americans, we can and should complain whenever we don't like the way things are run. We should also take action in conjunction with the complaints via protesting, and through elections.
Today, in most cases, there are more than just the two main parties who have candidates for president. Choose the one that more closely resembles your own believes. It shouldn't be expected that any one candidate will be perfect. If for some reason, it were down to the two main candidates, right now, they both hold opposing views, so one should be closer than the other, in the views of the individual voter.
If for some reason there were only the two major candidates and a person didn't agree at all with either, this is what I suggest: Vote for the candidate that is going to run the ship aground quickest. My reason for this is, that things don't get fixed until they're broken. You can elect someone who will drag out the hard times, or someone who till break it completely then people will start taking notice and putting importance where it belongs and things can start getting done right. Again, this scenario is only if there are no candidates that even slightly resemble your views/values.
In conclusion, not voting IS un-American, and no matter what, b*tch all you want.

edit: this doesn't account for the electoral system. I personally think that is a concept that is no longer needed.

[edit on 22-10-2008 by Wolf321]


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:28 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by mrsdudara



I was speaking on behalf, so I was not speaking of any one thing specifically.

In support of this idea I hear:

1.) Indeed the Electoral College, which means we are indirectly voting.
2.) Past record of Presidents winning the election but losing popular vote.
3.) Past records of suspected voting fraud.
4.) The fact that only two parties have a chance. *If Cynthia Mckinney wins the popular vote, would she win the Electoral College vote? I think not*

And then of course there is the Shadow Government conspiracy, but I will leave that out for the sake of a more tangible discussion.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 10:39 PM by Gateway
reply to post by elevatedone





That being said, those who don't vote shouldn't complain about politics or our politicians.


Ridiculous nonsense...When Obama or Mcain becomes president and start implementing either their socialist or fascist policies it will be PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR THESE KNUCKLEHEADS that shouldn't complain. Since I'm not voting for either one, and writing-in my candidate; it will be people like ME that will have the pleasure of telling PEOPLE like you, "I TOLD YOU SO!" Even those who choose not to vote will have the HIGHER moral ground to those that foolishly voted for these two.

So it is to the contrary, it will be people like me and those that choose not to vote out of disgust for either of these shysters that will have more right to complain about the future-mess they will wrought on this nation and its people.




[edit on 22-10-2008 by Gateway]
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