British army pilots pursue crop circle researchers!

This is a story I don’t know if you people here on ATS had read before.
This was originally written in Dutch language but I tried to translate it for you as good as possible.
I think that it’s worth reading and give some real good picture on how Great Britain ministry of defense deals with the researchers who unravel the mystery of crop circles. It definitely gives some view that something’s of the hook over there!?

In reaction to this article janet ossebaard wrote:
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The ministry of defense does not try to stop their pilots to take pictures from crop circles. In fact the specifically give orders to make them.
In the last 15 years of research that I’ve done full time in crop circle phenomena, I’d spent most of the time in Wiltshire, in The hart were most of the crop circles been formed. In al those years I’ve had too many encounters with the army over there. That had various aspects like pursuing, intimidation and treats. And that also accounts for al the other scientists who did their research in Wiltshire. The army pilots flies at such levels that it was totally against the aviation law to fly so low above our heads. (See my pictures taken on July this year) They do indeed take pictures but not only from crop circles. Also researchers and visitors who came there to watch were being pursued. Also license plate numbers were photographed and registered. In my opinion there’s only one contractor who has that power, the ministry of defense.

If pilots were really interested in this phenomenon then they wouldn’t fly at that kind of altitude to take nice pictures. And focusing on civilians and license plates.
Another interesting thing is that they were flying black unmarked helicopters. Look at the pictures I have taken. I’ve been told that these helicopters are only flown by Special Forces like MI5.Not regular army guys I would say?



After Bert Janssen and I released our DVD contact, Hell broke loose. Internet treats and death wishes were common cause. As only one lead, that of the ministry of defense. After that the trails lead to nothing. We eventually did report this to Dutch public authorities. And the local police hand it over to Interpol and made it a case .After a year it got silent and al the treats stopped deposit for public inspection of the case never allowed. Arrests never been made. Why “contact “Because it is hard evidence that non human intelligence coexists in our environment. And that this non human intelligence tries to make contact in form of crop circles. And if it could be worse they also broke entry in our house and stole all our equipment that year isn’t that a coincidence?

Once I spoke to a retired army helicopter instructor in Wiltshire. He quoted told me in a drunk state of mind. That we had no idea how many crop circles there were every year, Most of them never go down he said, there blueprints already been lay down weeks before the crop grows and forms a pattern. We can see that thru our infra red visors. You guys can’t see that with the naked eye. Some are really disappearing in season but many don’t.

The ministry of defense knows more that it tells us what they know. Of course they are interested crop circles are in fact made by a non human intelligence .That it’s not a man made product. That’s scientifically being proven many years ago. But what are we dealing with here? Does this intelligence come from a near distant universe? Are they benevolent or are they a real threat to our society, earth and all humanity. Question that ministry of defense should and could be answering .The phrase that their army boys should stop taking pictures of crop circles, is just a diversion and to misinform the public about it that they are more interested than anybody else. Their misinformation campaign generally is to let the people think that these crop circles are be made by some stupid comedians. Then we don’t have mass hysteria on our hands. And then to think about the real people who had experienced some enlightened conscious state of mind when they walked the fields. That’s totally out of the question!

Let’s just do it the old ways hear no Evil, see no Evil and speak no Evil

Every body who’s been in Wiltshire knows that strategy, because if you’ve walked the fields and witnessed it with your own eyes how the army plays a role in this total picture. You would know all of this!







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Copyright: Janet Ossebaard, 2008

Sorry Janet I thought this great article could just need some more attention to it hope you don’t mind..

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That thing's under control. We've had fighters fly 10 feet over our houses. They just do it. They don't give a (snip) about crop circles, only territorial control.

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I've spent a lot of time in and around Avebury and nobody now believes that the crop circles are anything more than the creation of very talented artists. One day soon all the crop circle books will be removed from the paranormal shelf and replaced on the arts shelf! I've even seen people getting out of their cars carrying the boards etc to make circles. I can't believe there are still a misguided few who believe little old ET spends his time making circles in straw! Its so sad I could almost weep. . .

A board cannot create magnetic disturbances, weave the wheat together instead of pressing it down, produce small metallic balls that melt when touched with some other metal, cause elongated nodes, and the variety of other strange phenomena that surround crop circles. Just because many crop circles are created by man there are still plenty out there that lack explanation. And while I'm not saying they're created by ET they're certainly not created by Man.

The mystery certainly developed and appears on the surface to be the elaborate work of art nerds. Fair enough. I have to say however that the military taking an interest is well documented.

This is the connection I can not fathom.

It seems such an english thing to make art in the fields in pagan symbolic shapes, or sit up all night with a thermos and woolies waiting for the spaceships. Almost like a natural past time developing to appease the english spirit.

In Spain they run with the bulls, in Italy they throw tomatoes at one another, and in the UK country side they sit around in woolies at night and play in the crops.

But why the military interest? This is documented. The perputrators seem harmless. Why do the helicopters come? I've seen interviews with very pissed off farmers, not just pissed off at the destruction of their crops, but pissed off at the fear instilled in their livestock by the constant fly overs.

So I don't think the mystery is solved yet.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
A board cannot create magnetic disturbances, weave the wheat together instead of pressing it down, produce small metallic balls that melt when touched with some other metal, cause elongated nodes, and the variety of other strange phenomena that surround crop circles. Just because many crop circles are created by man there are still plenty out there that lack explanation. And while I'm not saying they're created by ET they're certainly not created by Man.

How many times do we have to listen to Busty Taylor, Colin Andrews etc, telling us that the weaving pattern and so on cannot be hoaxed only for the hoaxers to step forward and reveal themselves. How many times do we have to hear researchers claiming that the circles are too big to be hoaxed only for film of the hoaxers making the circles to be broadcast.
The so called paranormal bending of the stems in crop circles has also been found in known fake circles!
The so called magnetic effects are interesting but it is only a matter of time before someone comes up with an answer.

I'm not dead against any of the circles being real I just know that most are fake. In fact I have spoken to one of the creators of crop circles who was taken to court and fined for trespass!!!

Ok. But why the military and unmarked helicopter interest?

I am sure this is the point of interest. The military would not bother monitoring some pranksters, and would not be concerned with trespass either.

There is something more at play here.

I believe their may be sensitive bases in these areas, maybe the helicopters are there to scare people away?

Although to me that would only attract more attention to the fact that something is going on.

To my knowledge nobody has come forward and duplicated the most complex circles, let alone in one night. I know the Discovery Channel got a group of grad students from MIT together to attempt it and they didn't even get close. So, you have to wonder if people well on their way to having a PhD in engineering can't replicate these things how can simple farmers out there be doing it.

If they wanted that kind of information they wouldnt send "blackops". The only blackops units we have are the SAS and maybe the SBS and I can assure you they dont fly over crop circles

You will probably find half in Iraq, 40% in Afghanistan and the other 10% stealing things from Russia right around now.

Anyway, those would be handled by the regular army and they could really fly as low as they pleased, the laws of the air dont apply to the military, they make the laws for themselves. It could be explained by a pilot having a good laugh and winding up the "tin foil hat people" below them in the field, a typical military thing to do.

I really dont see the UK forces wasting a helicopter and a blackops team to get some pictures, I mean the UK specialises in intelligence and insurgency techniques, im sure if someone wanted that data, they would flick on a satellite and take it rather than joy ride in a helicopter over a corn field. It doesnt ring true for me, the UK forces by nature are very covert, very restrained and very softly softly in their approach, this kind of overt public display is very much out of character for any serious operation by UK troops.

To my knowledge nobody has come forward and duplicated the most complex circles, let alone in one night. I know the Discovery Channel got a group of grad students from MIT together to attempt it and they didn't even get close. So, you have to wonder if people well on their way to having a PhD in engineering can't replicate these things how can simple farmers out there be doing it.

They may be well qualified, but they don't have the experience. It's not normally farmers, people like 'The Circle Makers', and the other groups that make the more complex ones have years and years of experience.

Another interesting thing is that they were flying black unmarked helicopters. Look at the pictures I have taken. I’ve been told that these helicopters are only flown by Special Forces like MI5.Not regular army guys I would say?

Don't mean to dump on the guy's parade, but those photo's aren't of "Black" helicopters, they're green. It's quite easily seen they are green.

And they're not the type "flown only by special forces" as the first Photo is a Merlin AW101, the second is a Lynx and the rest are Lynx's, Merlins and I think there might be a Puma in there too.

Merlins are flown by the Navy, Lynx's and Puma's by the Army. All are workhorse's and are the most common type of helicopter in the Forces.

The ministry of defense does not try to stop their pilots to take pictures from crop circles. In fact the specifically give orders to make them.

Also, the above comment is wrong. The MoD gave orders telling pilots to NOT take pictures as it would give the impression that they are investigating the phenonemon when they publicly claim not to be.

In short, the dude who wrote the article quoted is talking out his arse. He lost all credibility with me in the first couple of paragraphs that anything else he said went unheard.

EDIT: To add, the reason why they see lots of Military helicopters over Wiltshire is simple....

Salisbury Plain, as well as a rather large RAF base in Lyneham....

Duh!!


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Logically, if crop circles are NOT made by humans, they should be as
common in America, or Australia as they are in the U.K.. Because they
are mostly found there, I tend to think that they're just a local hobby
for folks living the good life, with a lot of spare time on their hands.

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Okay so maybe there green and I see you know a lot of the type of helicopter they are using. But somthing else why steal computer equipment in Holland? probably the ministry has ask the AIVD that’s our central intelligence to break entry and steal this information out of her home. Why such harassment for only a crop field research??

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Well, I'm in a very upfront mood right now

So I'll tell you .... your credibility with me is blown, now and forever

In fact, your attempt to 'debunk' via ridicule is just about the clumsiest I've seen for months. If anyone's paying you for your services, I think they could do a lot better for their money


Nothing personal. I'll just never give credence to anything you post

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And then this, what is this some kind of hoax or CGI you think?. Well I don’t know if you watched the ATS and Robbie Williams UFO Investigation: Round Two of Gilliland Videos you see orbs flying around and the team cant figure out what they are you going to tell them the made a hoax?
And then we have the disclosure of the British UFO files.. They are all fake not? I’m going to quod someone on that tube movie it’s a nice quod “Statistics say 80% of the crop circles form are HOAX. But what about the rest of the 20%? Putting it in a simple explanation. Anybody knows who is Vincent van Gogh - painter. There are many fake paintings; does it mean that Vincent Van Gogh was fake too? He never lived and never painted? Think about it? What if it’s real? Check out the 1974 Arecibo message. Replied on the Chilbolton Code event.




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