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reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 06:01 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by Mdv2



Honorable goal..

Hidden secret agenda..

Minorities would have had higher interest rates, low LTV and been more likely to foreclose. If a family pays for 5-10 years and forecloses, the Bank will profit off interest, and selling the house at market value for the equity..

My opinion anyways. Did not really come back and get them either, because we simply bailed them out for the abuse they wrought unto innocent people.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 07:51 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers



Bush is many things.. stupid is not one of them.

There is a difference between being stupid, and being a bad public speaker. I cannot speak in public, never could.. wouldn't say that reflects my intelligence... and for a President to become President and to be such a poor speaker.. lol .. well.. actually kind of amazing.

But just remember this..

The man who can convince the world he is a moron and acts a genius away from prying eyes has fooled the world and shown us just how gullible and ignorant we really are.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:02 PM by mind is the universe
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers



What if he does know? Ever thought abiut that?

I mean He is really intellegent. Studied in yale, has an IQ of 124, had the top political analyst's in yale etc etc. Whoa heck you should even see his pre presidential days interviews

Con artists, are percieved to be dumb. duh if you get it, you know what con artists do.


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:04 PM by mind is the universe
reply to post by Rockpuck



Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! Starred, It's about time other's are finally aware of what I've been saying for many years


Yes, thank you! I feel there is even more hope for other's to finally see the woods for the trees!!!!!


reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 08:37 PM by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to
post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers



What if he does know? Ever thought abiut that?

I mean He is really intellegent. Studied in yale, has an IQ of 124, had the top political analyst's in yale etc etc. Whoa heck you should even see his pre presidential days interviews

Con artists, are percieved to be dumb. duh if you get it, you know what con artists do.


I did think about that one, but personally, I think Snr pulls the strings, although I may be wrong of course.

reply to Rockpuck:

I have thought about him playing dumb alot and I agree that he may do this sometimes, sort of a false sense of security type thing, yet I doubt he has the brains to pull off this scheme, although, he defintely has the ambition.

Again, could be wrong.

EMM



reply posted on 22-10-2008 @ 09:49 PM by carewemust
reply to post by midnightbrigade



MidnightBrigade, yours is one of the best written personal testimonies I've
read here in on ATS. Thank-you for it!

The bottom line is that each of us is responsible for our happiness or
miserableness in life. At the end, when we look back, who the President
was in any given year won't matter one hoot. Either we "did good", or
we wasted the precious years that were granted to us. It's a shame that
most people aren't content with charting their own happiness and destiny
like you are. Continued success to you! -cwm


reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 12:01 AM by daddymax
reply to post by Truther



If your poor you cant pay for collage and education fees, what kinda stupid thing is that to say, have some consideration..

Let me get this straight, your blaiming the poor for the economic collapse, use your head man..


Your joshing me right..."Can't pay for college"? At the risk of sounding like a racist/biggot...the poor around my area are as a majority African American, Mexican, un-wed mothers, unemployed Native Americans, etc. These groups of individuals get all the college they want thrown at them...for free. I have paid for every single hour of college I have(after the age of 19 when I stopped playing football). I cannot afford college right now...but then again I make enough money that my wife does not have to work...she takes care of our 3 children, and is pregnant currently! I'm not too concerned.

If I were black, left-handed or female I could go to college on a free ride, but because I am a free white working able bodied man..."No soup for you"...

Statements like this enfuriate me..."can't pay for college", moreso can't get off the couch in the projects, put down the race/oppresion card long enough to pick up a brochure, and stop bitching about how bad it is because of how bad it was to make a phone call...from a $.99 a month phone!!! Got to be #ting me!!!


reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 05:19 AM by dawnstar
Originally posted by midnightbrigade
classic

but lets be real about this too...the only reason he was going on about this is because the super freakin poor wanted what the "fat cats" in the next class had. and instead of working for it, they wanted to just get it. they start whining...and (this is the kicker) THEY GOT IT! You see, this is the problem with politicians pandering to all groups. You cant fix everyone...sometimes they have to get out and oh...(Gasp!) FIX THEIR OWN DAMN PROBLEMS!!! God damn I am so sick of the poor whining about being poor...GET AN EDUCATION, GET A JOB...PLAY THE SYSTEM...GET OUT OF THE FREAKING GHETTO!!!! but no...they do this kind of crap...put themselves in houses they cant afford and end up helping to screw the economy for all of us. grrrrr


one of the foreclosure stories I've heard went something like this...
a single mom of two or three kids was making $10/hr. she wanted to buy a house, and well.....she got the loan for a $450,000 house!

I remember when my kids were little, there were times when my husband made only $10/hr....we couldn't afford the flipping hud subsidized housing (we didn't qualify for the hud) let alone a $450,000 house....
but, well...let's see....
$10/hr job is "poor"???
so, what's the hourly wage of the non-poor?? just wondering...
the real problem isn't that these "poor" people were given mortgages that they are defaulting on. it's that we've allowed the cost of living to rise so badly that earning $10/hr is now considered "poor"!
alot of people go through college, work their butts off, do their best, and still end up "poor"!!
either get the wages in line with the cost of living, or the cost of living in line with the wages! God!! There is no way in an actually free market where a family making $8 or $9 an hour can live better than someone making $10 or $11, but that's what we've had in this country for awhile now. and it's the actual "poor" being exploited by these types of gov't sponsered scams, it's those families out there that aren't considered "poor" by government standards but still can't meet the needs of their families. what the heck, they are basically in a no win situation. they can either go backwards financially and arrange to have less income, or they are screwed, going without healthcare, living in substandard, non-hud certifiable housing, unable to heat their homes in the winter, and well...trying to feed a family on $30-$40 dollars a week.
THEY ARE PLAYING THE SYSTEM!! the system just isn't playing fairly, and THIS IS NOT A FREE MARKET, HASN'T BEEN IN A LONG TIME!
either just turn the danged thing into a socialist regime, or turn it back into a purely free market where the government isn't handing out billions upon billions to the "poor" and to their business buddies! but, knock if off with these types of scams that serve just to produce an illusion of prosperity that quickly fades at a moment's notice!


reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 06:26 AM by midnightbrigade
reply to post by dawnstar



I totally agree with you there...the cost of living is waaaay out of line. But us knowing that, why in the hell would the person with ANY decent sense buy a 450,000 dollar house when they only make $10.00 an hour? That's just plain #ing stupid. If that's all you spend your money on then yea, you can make it but if this chick has a family of 4 and she agreed to that... God I want to say she deserves to get her house repo'd but that's part of what causes this crisis anyway.

As far as getting the economy in line, how about we tell the govt. to stop increasing the minimum wage and instead start placing price caps on things.

And before the argument starts about minimum wage, my feelings are this: If we increase min wage from 5 to 7$ (which we have) all that does is make corporations increase their prices to cover the new loss. So I go to McDonalds, and pay a buck for a burger off the dollar menu. Well, now Micky D's has less profit off that burger because joe the meat flipper makes 7 bucks an hour now instead of 5. Well suddenly that sawdust burger is on the 3 dollar menu. Now if Joe wants to buy his own burger (baring employee discount) he pays 2 dollars more, which is no skin to him because that's exactly what he got increased. He sees no difference. Me on the other hand, I don't make minimum wage so it makes it harder for me to buy a freakin cheeseburger...that's the danger of being lower and mid middle class. Upper class don't care cause they own the McDonalds and eat free anyway

But whatever...I'm an ordained minister so I'm gonna creat a tax free "church" out in the woods and grow my own shizzle



reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 04:59 PM by siouxm
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers



I agree with your ideas... and gave you a star.

I believe that Bush is very intelligent, perhaps a little too intelligent and he missed that he was playing a part in the scheme, instead believing he was running the scheme.

To me, he looks very bewildered at how things turned out. He looks as if he has aged a few decades in the past few months. He is definitely not the go-lucky-party guy that he was back in 2000. I think he is catching on that he was swindled, too.
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