India's Chandrayaan Blasts Off To The Moon!, page 5
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reply posted on 23-10-2008 @ 06:48 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by CreeWolf
...Maybe we can finally get a clear picture of those lunar artifacts (spires, glass domes, structures, and other anomalies) previously discussed on ATS!



This we hoped for with China's Chang-e 1...

This we hoped for with Japan's Selene/Kayuga

Now it is India's turn...


You say they are NOT NASA?
Maybe the early launch date was postponed so that they could finish this agreement in Feb 2008?

NASA And India Sign Agreement For Future Cooperation

KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. - At a ceremony Friday at the Kennedy Space Center's visitor complex, NASA Administrator Michael Griffin and Indian Space Research Organization Chairman G. Madhavan Nair signed a framework agreement establishing the terms for future cooperation between the two agencies in the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes.

"I am honored to sign this agreement with the India Space Research Organization," Griffin said. "This agreement will allow us to cooperate effectively on a wide range of programs of mutual interest. India has extensive space-related experience, capabilities and infrastructure, and will continue to be a welcome partner in NASA's future space exploration activities."


www.nasa.gov...


NASA - Japan Agreement

MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF JAPAN

www.nasa.gov...

NASA AND JAPAN AGREE ON NEW AREAS OF SPACE COOPERATION

Document


NASA-CANADA agreement

MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE CANADIAN SPACE AGENCY

Document

NASA-ESA Agreement

ESA and NASA extend ties with major new cross-support agreement

ESA Archived Page

NASA - CHINA agreement

NASA Administrator Departs China After 'Rewarding' First Visit

Collected Sources


NASA Administrator Griffin presents a picture to President and CEO, China Academy of Space Technology, Dr. Yuan Jiajun.




So I will be watching this mission as avidly as we tracked China's and Japan's... but I am not holding my breath..

But I will take your thread as the 'watch thread... as there are already several others... but one is enough for updates


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 12:04 AM by bubbapug1985
reply to post by mikesingh


Mike, great thread.

The chinese have a man orbit the Earth.
The Indians are sending and unmanned craft to the moon.

Whats the big deal?

The US did all of this over 40 years ago, they are still way behind.

The next major step is landing a man on Mars.

The US will be first to do this, even though the shadow "withholding intergalactic technology" government has been beyond our solar system without our knowledge.

What will they learn differently from going to the moon that the US didnt? Moon Bases? John "Soul Collector Towers Lear". That is all old news.

They should just plagarize what the US has done, and set there standards for Mars or another planetary body. Why waste time with the moon - alien base.


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 02:00 AM by mikesingh
Originally posted by bubbapug1985
Whats the big deal? The US did all of this over 40 years ago, they are still way behind.

So what has NASA to show for it except for screwed up pics with resolutions that suck!! (At least the ones they've shown to the public!) and a few kilos of Moon rock?

What will they learn differently from going to the moon that the US didnt?
Why waste time with the moon.


The US/NASA/Naval int still don't know everything about the Moon yet. Heck, we've been on Earth for 20000 years and still know zilch about it! We know probably just about 1% of what the Moon is all about.

Now let's see what India's Chandrayaan is going to do that have NOT been done by any country so far:

3D terrain mapping that will map the ENTIRE topography of the moon, which helps in better understanding of the lunar evolution process.

Mapping of the minerals on the lunar surface as well as for understanding the mineralogical composition of the Moon’s interior by the Hyperspectral Imager (HySI).

Obtaining data for accurately determining the height of lunar surface features with the help of the Lunar Laser Ranging Instrument (LLRI).

Exploring the possibility of identifying Polar Regions covered by thick water-ice deposits as well as in identifying regions of high Uranium and Thorium concentrations with the High Energy X-ray Spectrometer (HEX).

High quality mapping of the moon using X-ray fluorescence technique for finding the presence of Magnesium, Aluminum, Silicon, Iron and Titanium distributed over the surface of the Moon with the Imaging X ray Spectrometer (C1XS).

Study of the lunar surface to explore the mineral resources and the formation of its surface features with the Smart Near Infrared Spectrometer (SIR-2).

Study the surface composition of the moon and the magnetic anomalies associated with the surface of the moon using the Sub kiloelectronvolt Atom Reflecting Analyser (SAR).

Characterization of the radiation environment in a region of space surrounding the moon by the Radiation Dose Monitor (RADOM).

Mini Synthetic Aperture Radar (MiniSAR) for detecting water ice in the permanently shadowed regions of the lunar poles up to a depth of a few meters.

To assess and map lunar mineral resources at high spatial and spectral resolution with the help of an imaging spectrometer called the Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3).

And don’t forget the presence of Helium 3 / 4 that the Moon Impact Probe will evaluate, which is an important facet of the mission.

So, do you now see what no other nation, including the U.S, has done in any detail so far? Chandrayaan will!

Cheers!



[edit on 24-10-2008 by mikesingh]


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 04:07 AM by destiny-fate
reply to post by patsy22


To be honest Patsy it makes no sense to me either - gave you a star for your thoughtful post


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 04:09 AM by Daedalus3
Originally posted by baughany
reply to post by 44soulslayer


Feed your people first.

Then go to the moon.

With utmost respect.


Educate yourself on the ground reality of 'feeding' India and the likes...
then come here and make suggestions based on your personal findings..

With utmost respect of course..



reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 04:35 AM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by t0ken


Im sick and tired of reiterating this point, but for your sake I'll try one last time.

Cost of Chandrayaan : $50 million

Commercial satellite market : $2.5 - 3.0 billion

India is targeting 1/3rd of the market, and this mission was seen as a test for the PSLV platform.

Spending 50 million to make 1 billion, which can then be used to better the population is cold hard business and makes a hell of a lot more sense than spending 50 million on a population of 900 million.

Thats it. Thats the last time Im gonna say it. If you still can't understand why this mission made commercial sense then kindly refrain from criticizing things which you cannot understand on a logical level.

And to whoever came up with the soundbite "Trying to fly before you can walk"... glib catchphrase but thats how India functions. India had a space research organisation merely a decade after independence. If you'll excuse the pop culture reference, thats how we roll .


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 04:51 AM by t0ken
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by t0ken


Spending 50 million to make 1 billion, which can then be used to better the population is cold hard business and makes a hell of a lot more sense than spending 50 million on a population of 900 million.


Well we will see how many $Bills india has made outa this $50 mil space exploration.I think India's priority will be to invest back into new space projects if they do make anything out of this mission.It's kinda highly unlikely the poor kid begging on the street will get much out of it.

I guess only time will tell.


reply posted on 24-10-2008 @ 05:09 AM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by Jazzyguy


1. Every developing Asian nation has put progress before eliminating poverty, because progress IS the road to eliminating poverty. Russia, China, India all started space programs when the majority of their people were in poverty, and yet they are developing steadily and surely. When I spoke of the Eastern mindset, it is found in these three Asian giants. Any minor Asian country such as Burma or whatever can follow their own agenda, but the "East" is synonymous with Russia, India, China, S Korea and Japan.

2. The progress of science and the nation. The country comes before the individual needs of any person. This was partly an ego exercise, as all space exploration is. But it will achieve significant long term gains for India.
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