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posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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US Domestic Military Deployments.


rawstory.com

Following reports that US troops will be permanently on call to work inside the United States handling "civil unrest," "crowd control" and other functions traditionally carried out by civilian law enforcement agencies, activists are demanding to know why the Pentagon is reversing a longstanding prohibition on domestic deployment of the military.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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First Germany now America,is domestic troop deployment becoming the norm??

Such action raises questions,obviously,and no doubt the answers given will raise even more questions about the motivation behind the idea.

Right now governments of both countries have given the same 2 reasons;in case of emergency and in case of natural disasters.

Are there going to be that many natural disasters that a standing domestic army will be permanatly needed??

Is there a threat of countrywide civil unrest somewhere on the horizon and they just haven't told anyone yet??

The last time Germany employed a domestic army things went straight to hell.And with the state of the US government's paranoia,would you want a domestic army on call??



rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Well this tellS me that "Alex Jones" at www.infowars.com has NOT been lying. That his "outlandish statements" are now proved correct!
And you will feel the boot on your neck FROM the "Politically Correct" controllers for any DIRECTIVES which you do not OBEY!!:

VERE ARE YOUR PAPERS! SCHNELL SCHNELL! YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!!!



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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I was wondering when the ACLU would show up to put the giant hole in the Posse Comitatus Act. These domestic deployments are a violation of the constitution and will be challenged in the supreme court. Unfortunately, the ACLU's job is to put up a losing fight in order to set case precedence which will allow these deployments to move forward when the Supreme Court rules against them.

Let's see, how successful has the ACLU been at challenging any of the abuses of power we've seen over the past 16 years? Not very. In fact, I can't think of one they've managed to win.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Ummm... I'd like to have an explanation myself???

You dont just pull this out of your butt and expect Americas Citizens to get used to this.

I'm glad there are protests!!!!!

We are living in incredible times! Are we just the victims of a paranoid government????

I know Alex J. talks about us being slaves and all that.... I can almost understand him now.....

This gives me the freaking creeps.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Once again, based upon a dubious source (at best), another idiot tells lies and tries to panic the gullible.

The U.S. Military is NOT deploying all over the USA. They do have bases/posts, which have existed for many years, scattered around the US. Those are their permanent places, not anything designed for civilian control. Places like the Norfolk Naval Station, Fort Benning, Georgia, etc.

There is no way that the military could be deployed as these fools insist will happen. It is unconstitutional for this to happen.

Oh that's right, according to these ignorant ones, the Constitution means nothing.

You that believe this bunk just go to show that P.T. Barnum was 100% correct.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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Yup. Direct Violation of Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Were so #ed, and the larger portion of America doesn't even know it.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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dg, you crack me up!!!



Originally posted by dgtempe
You dont just pull this out of your butt and expect Americas Citizens to get used to this.

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This gives me the freaking creeps.


Couldnt have said it better myself.

I love the letter about this in the armytimes - its link is on the other thread.

Talking about how wonderfull it is that the troops can now help Americans here at home .... mushy mushy blah blah blah, ect ect

Its all about finding the FACTS and the FACTS on this SUCK!!!!!!

Zerelleon, Bush ended the Posse Comitatus act.... to protect us. I'll find the link.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:03 PM
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Either way you look at it...how many times has the government broken its own laws in the constitution?



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:09 PM
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Ok, here we go this is from the Department of home land security.

The Myth of Posse Comitatus


The Posse Comitatus Act has traditionally been viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense.[1] In fact, many in uniform believe that the act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the act’s prohibitions over the past 20 years, posse comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense.



You see, we NEED the millitary here (yes Im being sarcastic and telling their point of view here not mine) WE didnt have a need for Homeland Security then when this came to play. This was all about Posses in the cowboy days. It holds no salt for today. - again that is their aditude on this not mine.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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This feels like we have entered another dark age. Similar to that of the witch hunts, witch trials and witch murders. Only this time instead of accusing someone of being a 'witch', we are accusing people of being 'terrorists'.

Of course there are real terrorists but that doesn't mean we all are.

If we are afraid that our governments may be getting too carried away with their actions and plans of actions against those they fear 'may' be terrorists or that they are misusing the whole 'terrorist' thing all together then perhaps we should be doing everything in our power to make the necessary changes in the house where laws and bills are passed.

If a child abuses a privilege then the privilege is removed.



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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Speaking from an English point of view,i always get the impression that (some) Americans only protest en mass when it involves the right to bear arms.Yet,important things like this don't have the same support.Its almost as if they're saying,'as long as we can have guns you can wipe your arse with the rest of the Constitution.'


Found some more information and related material.


The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

www.armytimes.com...




The Defense Authorization Act of 2006, passed on Sept. 30, empowers President George W. Bush to impose martial law in the event of a terrorist “incident,” if he or other federal officials perceive a shortfall of “public order,” or even in response to antiwar protests that get unruly as a result of government provocations....

It only took a few paragraphs in a $500 billion, 591-page bill to raze one of the most important limits on federal power. Congress passed the Insurrection Act in 1807 to severely restrict the president’s ability to deploy the military within the United States. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 tightened these restrictions, imposing a two-year prison sentence on anyone who used the military within the U.S. without the express permission of Congress. But there is a loophole: Posse Comitatus is waived if the president invokes the Insurrection Act.

Section 1076 of the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act” to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.” The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition”—and such “condition” is not defined or limited.

These new pretexts are even more expansive than they appear. FEMA proclaims the equivalent of a natural disaster when bad snowstorms occur, and Congress routinely proclaims a natural disaster (and awards more farm subsidies) when there is a shortfall of rain in states with upcoming elections. A terrorist “incident” could be something as stupid as the flashing toys scattered around Boston last fall.

www.amconmag.com...



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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The U.S. Military is NOT deploying all over the USA. They do have bases/posts, which have existed for many years, scattered around the US. Those are their permanent places, not anything designed for civilian control. Places like the Norfolk Naval Station, Fort Benning, Georgia, etc.


This thread is about the FACT that the government has granted the military domestic duties,its not about the FEMA camps.And the fact that permission has been given for this means that they will and can be deployed throughout the US.



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Is there a threat of countrywide civil unrest somewhere on the horizon and they just haven't told anyone yet??

Simply put yes there will be.
VP elect Biden has already hinted on it also.

Mcain win's..bad news..remember Rodney king getting beat by the cop's.
Well to the black community..Mcain win's will be a spiritual beat down.
Only reason obama was not elected was because of dumb white people.ect.ect..
then the riots will start.

Obama wins..bad news tie's to terrorist failure to show legal proof to the people of citizenship in court.
also white racist's just the same as the black racist's..will riot

either way people will probably die..
The media is also forcing racial issue's down our throat's to get us to take side's.
GD AMERICA!!!!!!!
Hillary was never called a .....word i cant say i am white.lol

the war will be with ourselves once and for all to end racial bigotry from both side's.
maybe even separate a few states from the union.
think on that divide and conquer strategy
en.wikipedia.org...
Posse Comitatus Act

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws


can that describe riot's any better?


[edit on 22-10-2008 by beforetime]

[edit on 22-10-2008 by beforetime]



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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What I feel is comming and what I feel they might be getting ready for is no riot.

Its Civil War II.

There has been too much talk.
Funny though, the ones I hear talking the most are millitary and ex-millitary men.



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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Yeah,there is definantly something brewing.
My dad's said for the last cpl of years or so that America is heading for civil war.But will it be instigated by the people sick and tired of the corruption,or will it be instigated by the government because they fear what the people might do?



posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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Nations have internal departments which are supposed to do the job of protecting and saving their own citizens within the borders... most nations recognize that the offensive military has no right to be deployed within those borders, and for good reasons.

What was that quote...
The police are there to serve the people,
The military is there to kill enemies of the state.
When the military becomes the police, the people become the enemies of state.

Yeah... I smell a civil war too, or at least, the kindling for one.

All aboard the fascism train... woo woo!


Glad I'm not American.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 12:26 AM
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But when you say civil war you really mean rebellion right? Do you really think civilians would have a chance against the military? Do you really think the "powers that be" could get the US military to act against the US population? I am just writing something for you guys to think about.

I am part of 3ID 2BCT (for all of you who don't speak military, pretty much living with the guys "on call'). Nothing is going on right now. But just so you know, pretty much at any time there is a unit on call for something that may or may not go down in the world. Really. There is a unit on call at this moment just in case something happens and we need to send troops overseas. I don't know which one it is at this time but I promise you there is one.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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But when you say civil war you really mean rebellion right? Do you really think civilians would have a chance against the military? Do you really think the "powers that be" could get the US military to act against the US population?


Well,a civil war is a war between political factions or regions within the same country.Not just government against civilians.

In such situations military allegiance can become divided.A soldier will fight for his family before he fights for a president who wants to kill them.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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What is really going on? Not many people know about this.



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