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Fraudulent registration turning in to fraudulent votes in Ohio...

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posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:22 AM
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So, to all those people who dismissed the ACORN registration frauds can now explain to us how you feel about this. Apparently, people who registered fraudulent registrations also voted on the same day without ID, multiple times. Some of these votes coming from "the middle of the Ohio river". Given Ohio is a swing state, this is very troubling.

It looks like Obama's close work and donations to ACORN are paying off for him.

www.vindy.com...

VOTER FRAUD: Ohio’s voter rolls include people who list their address as the middle of the Ohio river.

Published:Monday, October 20, 2008

VOTER FRAUD: Ohio’s voter rolls include people who list their address as the middle of the Ohio River, more than 6,000 people who are registered twice and hundreds who are not even old enough to cast a ballot, a newspaper reported




posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Marcus Calpurnius
Apparently, people who registered fraudulent registrations also voted on the same day without ID, multiple times.


o_0 your link says nothing like this

maybe if your source actually botered to mention which paper the article came from, or maybe you linked the wrong page i had a look around and found nothing but what you already quoted. maybe .. just maybe ... its home made drama with a hint of salsa and lime?

did how ever find www.vindy.com...

which says


The claim that voter fraud threatens the integrity of American elections is itself a fraud,” concluded a report by Project Vote, a nonpartisan voter participation organization. Authored by Lorraine C. Minnite, an assistant political science professor at Barnard College, the report stated: “The exaggerated fear of voter fraud has a long history of scuttling efforts to make voting easier and more inclusive, especially for marginalized groups in American society.”



One suppression tactic emerged in Philadelphia recently. Fliers appeared on the Drexel University campus and elsewhere falsely warning that voters would be arrested at the polls for outstanding traffic warrants.

Voter suppression is engineered through a variety of tactics, most frequently purging the names of registered voters. According to a report by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, 39 states and the District of Columbia reported purging more than 13 million voters from the rolls between 2004 and 2006.


evil republicans!!

^_^ have a nice day




[edit on 21/10/08 by noobfun]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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hmm... more cheap tricks. Hoping nobody would read your source and see that it doesn't support your claim?

Seems like SOP for the McCain camp to flood the board with baseless claims. Desperate times call for desperate measures, huh?



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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In some states, for every voter added to the rolls in the last two months, two voters have been removed, the newspaper noted.

(from the article i linked above)

looks like acorn need to work a bit harder, at this rate there wont even be cartoon characters left to vote



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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Dare I say that I saw this story this morning on Fox News. The voter fraud was inevitable. People were registering and voting right after with no time to verify addresses or identity. This is simply wrong regardless of your party affiliation. There are also instances of absentee ballot fraud also. Ballots were cast by non residents. Again Fox News:

"Meanwhile, there's more big trouble in Ohio tonight. The college news network Palestra is reporting that members of an organization called Vote From Home could be registering to vote in Ohio with no intention of permanently living there and for the sole purpose of voting in the important swing state of Ohio".

www.foxnews.com...#



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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Please... you have to do a lot better than "could be registering to vote in Ohio with no intention of permanently living there". By all accounts, these are US citizens of legal voting age and residing in Ohio. They have a right to vote, even though you don't like who they're voting for. Suck it up and show us some of that conservative manliness.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 09:49 AM
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Sure they have a right to vote. The right to vote in their home precints, wherever that may be, via a properly cast absentee ballot. That is how I voted in college in a state that I did not permanently reside in. These "voters" are not Ohio residents and are not eligible to vote in Ohio. Thus the fraud concern. Read the story and brush up on your High School Civics lessons.


[edit on 21-10-2008 by jibeho]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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You guys are just amazing. Why do you continue to claim we don't want people to vote, when we're obviously worried about people voting multiple times without ID?

As to the source and it saying what I claimed it said.

news.cincinnati.com...

Glitches fill Ohio voter rolls
Eligibility questions could bring confusion, spur conflicts

By Gregory Korte • gkorte@enquirer.com • October 19, 2008

In Hamilton County, 17 people are registered to vote from riverfront addresses south of Mehring Way - places with street numbers that would put their homes somewhere in the Ohio River.
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Another 46 voters are registered at addresses that would put their homes in the middle of the Paul Brown Stadium parking lot, or at the riverfront project known as The Banks - which hasn't been built.


The problem is, we don't know how many of these people will vote multiple times? How many of these voters are felons? How many from other states? Its ok though, you will dismiss it, because it its obviously working to Obama's favor.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:03 AM
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The problem is paying people to register voters... it invites fraud especially when the more they register, the more they get paid.

That being said if non existent and/or dead people are registered that doesn't count as fraudulent voting since DUH DUH... since they are dead or don't exist, they cannot vote.

Plus I think, but am not sure (I know its true here in Virginia) you are required to show a valid D or drivers license prior to voting.

[edit on 21-10-2008 by grover]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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amazing how nobody is asking about voter fraud from the right....i guess it doesn't exist. this is why everybody should take this as lies and deception. as i remember it, several republican operatives recieved jail time and republican office holders were thrown out of office in the ohio 04' election for voting fraud. again, why is their no investigation of republican voter fraud coming out of the MSM?? gee...it MUST be because the MSM is LIBERAL!!



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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Usually the right and by extension's the Republican MO is to suppress votes.

That being said there are several cases current, most notably in California where people were being told they were signing a petition when in reality they were being registered with the Republican party.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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Here is a nice little primer about the whole ACORN issue. The whole article can be found at the link provided below.



www.commondreams.org...

ACORN and election fraud. Hang on. As soon as I can get the alligator that crawled out of my toilet back into the New York City sewers where it belongs, I can turn my attention to this very important topic.

You see, the ACORN "election fraud" story is one of those urban legends, like fake moon landings and alligators in the sewers, and it appears three or four weeks before every recent national election with the regularity of the swallows returning to Capistrano.

First, the basics: ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is an activist group working with low and moderate income families that, among many other things, registers voters. To do this they hire people to go around signing up the unregistered, killing two birds with one stone -- giving employment to people who need it (some with criminal records) and providing the opportunity to vote to members of minority communities whose voices all too often go unheard.

What happens is that some of those hired to do the registering, who are paid by the name, make people up. As a result, you'll discover that among the registrants are such obvious fakes as Mickey Mouse and the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys, among others.

This is where the Republican meme kicks in. As they have in past elections (although now louder and more angrily than ever), the GOP has made ACORN the red flag du jour as the party tries to mobilize its conservative base and, allegedly, attempts to suppress the vote and distract attention from accusations of election tampering made against them, too.

The charge is that these fake registrations will create havoc at the polls. On Tuesday morning, former Republican Senators John Danforth and Warren Rudman, chairs of Senator McCain's Honest and Open Elections Committee, held a press conference and described the results of the bad seeds in ACORN's registration program as "a potential nightmare." Danforth said he was concerned "that this election night and the days that follow will be a rerun of 2000, and even worse than 2000."

John McCain raised it at Wednesday night's final debate and went further, adding, "We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who [sic] is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy..."

Obama replied, "ACORN is a community organization. Apparently, what they have done is they were paying people to go out and register folks. And apparently, some of the people who were out there didn't really register people; they just filled out a bunch of names. Had nothing to do with us. We were not involved."

Which is not to say Obama has not been associated with ACORN in the recent past. He has. As he said in the debate, as a lawyer, he joined with the group in partnership with the US Justice Department to implement a motor voter registration law in Illinois -- allowing folks to register to vote at their local DMV. His work as a community organizer bought him into contact with ACORN, the organization received money from the Woods Fund while he was a board member there and his presidential campaign gave ACORN more than $800,000 to help with get out the vote campaigns during the primary season -- but not, apparently, for registration drives.

All of this distracts from several important points. ACORN has registered 1.3 million voters, and maintains that in virtually every instance they are the ones who have reported the incidents of fraud.

As the organization asserted in a response to Senator McCain, "ACORN hired 13,000 field workers to register people to vote. In any endeavor of this size, some people will engage in inappropriate conduct. ACORN has a zero tolerance policy and terminated any field workers caught engaging in questionable activity. At the end of the day, as ACORN is paying these people to register voters, it is ACORN that is defrauded." Arrests have been made, as well they should be.

Add to this the simple fact that registration fraud is not election fraud. Seventy-five, made-up people who are registered as, say, "Brad Pitt," are not likely going to show up at some polling place on November 4 to vote in the election. Because they don't exist. (Besides, Angelina would never give them time off from babysitting duties.)

Granted, there are ways to mail in an absentee ballot under a fake name and, too, from time to time some joker is going to come to the polls and try to bluff his or her way in. But despite the charge that thousands and thousands of fakes will flood the machines and throw the count, it does not happen very often. And according to ACORN, "Even RNC [Republican National Committee] General Counsel Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single improper vote cast as a result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter registration effort."

Not that this has stopped the GOP from banging the same drum every national election. And amnesiac members of the media and some government agencies from buying into it every time. Last year, The New York Times reported that the federal Election Assistance Commission, created by the Help America Vote Act, legislation enacted after the Florida debacle, was told by a pair of experts -- one Republican, the other described as having "liberal leanings" -- that there was not that much fraud to be found. But their conclusions were downplayed.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by grover
reply to post by jimmyx
 


Usually the right and by extension's the Republican MO is to suppress votes.

That being said there are several cases current, most notably in California where people were being told they were signing a petition when in reality they were being registered with the Republican party.


your right, i live in calif. and that is what's happening...curious that doesn't get any play in the LIBERAL national press. doesn't anybody notice karl roves fingerprints on this?? the republicans has been involved in these tactics for decades now and nobody in the MSM is reporting on that. liberal press my @ss!!



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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I heard about it on CNN.

If Rove were actually involved with the McCain campaign... Obama would be having a much worse time of it since the attacks would be more focused... McCain's attacks are like birdshot.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:43 AM
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As I have stated earlier fraud is fraud and it is wrong regardless of your party affiliation. If republicans have "tricked" people into signing a petition(I usually read before I sign something) that is wrong.

We could debate about ACORN all day long. ACORN is registered as a nonpartisan organization that is eligible to receive money from the taxpayers (comprised of dems, reps, and indys). However, their focus is clearly on the democratic voter. That point is non debatable. They do not actively seek out republican voters, period. I watched a video clip this morning on Fox of an ACORN rally in California where an ACORN official stated that "Obama needs ACORN and ACORN needs Obama". If they are indeed nonpartisan and receiving money from me this is wrong. No matter which way you try to spin it. Just keep trying to spin it. If ACORN wants to continue to operate let them, just take away their taxpayer supported funds.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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I usually don't like attacking the source, but common dreams is the left wing version of News Max or Wold Net daily. Of course they are going to down play what ACORN is doing.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 10:46 AM
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I have found commondreams.org to be very balanced in their reporting. Of course they are liberal but the article cited doesn't state anything that does not jive with what I have read and heard about the issue at hand.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by grover
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Usually the right and by extension's the Republican MO is to suppress votes.



You left out the key word in your statement. To be accurate, you should have said "Usually the right and by extension's the Republican MO is to suppress fraudulent votes." Why? Because going back to Kennedy vs. Nixon and probably further, the Republicans have been victimized by this type of voter fraud all to often.

Why are the democrats so against taking a look at fraudulent voting? Simple, they always stand the most to gain from the fraudulent votes.


[edit on 10/21/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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None of your articles tie this voter fraud into ACORN, though. In fact the only time your article mentions ACORN is in passing because it's being investigated for voter registration fraud by the FBI.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
... the Republicans have been victimized by this type of voter fraud all to often.


Sorry


Republicans have been caught with their pants down trying to cage voters in the past, I mean, the e-mails are right there.



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