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Originally posted by pavil
Even if Governments were lying to us, spectral analysis of the clouds of Venus don't lie. There is little to no water vapor, lots of sulfuric acid and CO2. Maybe once upon a time Venus was more Earth like, but it is now a barren desert probably due to volcanism and lack of a magnetic field.
Originally posted by pavil
Even if Governments were lying to us, spectral analysis of the clouds of Venus don't lie. There is little to no water vapor, lots of sulfuric acid and CO2. Maybe once upon a time Venus was more Earth like, but it is now a barren desert probably due to volcanism and lack of a magnetic field.
Originally posted by zorgon
Lada Regio, Venus
Courtesy of NASA/JPL
This is a very detailed image of Lada Regio
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR), University of Michigan
Originally posted by silver6ix
Originally posted by pavil
Even if Governments were lying to us, spectral analysis of the clouds of Venus don't lie. There is little to no water vapor, lots of sulfuric acid and CO2. Maybe once upon a time Venus was more Earth like, but it is now a barren desert probably due to volcanism and lack of a magnetic field.
This in fairness is something which defies the point of the OPs thread.
How would you know what the spectral analysis of Venus did or did not state? You could only take someones word for that which I think is the point of the OPs post, if they were lying, we wouldnt know.
There could be any number of things on any number of planets and you or I simply wouldnt know unless we were told it was so. If people choose to tell us something else, we would never know the truth.
We assume the words of said experts are true but theres no reason to be conrete in that belief. History demonstrates that the recruiting of personel, the elevating of "selected" personel to key positions has always happened throughout time.
One of the most notable examples of this can be seen looking at the history of the Catholic Church, at one time they controlled ALL scientific belief and indeed military and social action. The manipulation and deception of the masses is neither a new or an unknown thing to human civilization, it has been happening since the dawn of time. Another set of examples can be seen looking at Hitler, or Stalin. There are too many to count.
When a population believes the word of people put before cameras most regularly and given "credibility" by the media, the potential for massive scale manipulation of thinking and ideology is very high.
The fact is if five or six key people, leaders, religious leaders, "media saturated scientists" were to come out tomorrow and say little green men existed, through their words and media saturation alone the masses would automatically accept the statements. It would be valid. Why? Because they have been given media credibility.
To the contrary any person who stepped forwards to say such a thing against the will of any ruling elite would be "discredited" or slanted as being unamerican, or crazy. The masses would believe it.
Study US electioneering, it works, it has always worked it has been employed again in this very US Election Campaign, why? Because people believe what the mainstream media presents to them as acceptable belief as a rule, in the same way people once believed what the Catholic Bishops and Inquisitors said as a rule.
There is nothing new in deception or manipulation of the masses, it was and always will be a part of human structure and the methodology of control. Democracy is a control structure, as was Catholicism, as was Communism as many things have been. They are the art of social control.
Originally posted by Shadow_Lord
Sometimes in life, things are just as they appear and there is not some hidden conspiracy.
Originally posted by TallWhites
And I just wanna add this pic from Russia's Venera of Venus on descent.
Not saying its water (on the left), its prolly just different colour rock formations.
But it could be water, you never know
The lander survived for 127 minutes (the planned design life was 32 minutes) in an environment with a temperature of 457 °C (855 °F) and a pressure of 89 Earth atmospheres (8.9 MPa). The descent vehicle transmitted data to the bus, which acted as a data relay as it flew by Venus. The probe probably still rests on the surface as of today.
Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by spines
I haven't done spectral analysis of the clouds of Venus. I have however done spectral analysis of various other things to determine their composition. It's rather easy and pretty cool to do if you are a nerdy science geek like me.
You would basically need a fairly powerful telescope, take the light that comes from Venus and run it through a prism to get the telltale signatures of certain elements. From that you can deduce what is or isn't in the atmosphere of Venus.
It's kinda hard to do, But I would venture a small college or museum's telescope would be powerful enough to carry out the process.
Originally posted by pavil
Originally posted by TallWhites
And I just wanna add this pic from Russia's Venera of Venus on descent.
Not saying its water (on the left), its prolly just different colour rock formations.
But it could be water, you never know
So the pics Venera took are ok but the other data showing the extreme temps and pressure are to be discounted?
The lander survived for 127 minutes (the planned design life was 32 minutes) in an environment with a temperature of 457 °C (855 °F) and a pressure of 89 Earth atmospheres (8.9 MPa). The descent vehicle transmitted data to the bus, which acted as a data relay as it flew by Venus. The probe probably still rests on the surface as of today.
If those readings are accurate, water could not exist as liquid on the surface of Venus. The surface of Venus is a very nasty place.
Originally posted by SauberBMW
Well after reading i want to share my thoughts.
I don't believe there is life on Venus due to its proximity to the sun. I was watching a video with Michio Kaku that stated that if the sun expanded but one meter of its original size. all life of earth would be decimated.
I do believe there is life due to the fact that life has been found 3 miles below the earths surface leaving near heat vents which reach 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.
so in short, i have to see it to believe it
edited to put have instead of had
[edit on 23-10-2008 by SauberBMW]