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One Way Obama Could Still Lose: Vote Fraud (And It Is Happening Already!)

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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It is very clear that Barack Obama has a huge lead over John McCain now. Electoral-vote.com has Obama with 364 electoral votes and McCain with only 171. But massive, widespread vote fraud could still steal this election from Obama.

There is evidence that vote fraud is ALREADY happening in West Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado and other swing states:

shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com...




posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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I'm sorry, but there are many ways Obama can (and will) lose.

Voter fraud or cheating is not one of them.

Instead of a source such as yours, take a look at a reliable (according to Obama backers as well) source for poll numbers like RCP. According to them, it's a 4.8 point race now, which is only 1 point outside the margin of error.

That's nowhere hear a landslide for Obama, or such a lead that McCain couldn't win. Remember if you will that Bush was down somewhere around 11 points at this point in the election to Kerry.

It's time for Obama supporters to admit that he isn't a runaway winner, and that perhaps American just isn't ready for his socialist ideas.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537
According to them, it's a 4.8 point race now, which is only 1 point outside the margin of error.


The overall point spread doesn't really matter. What matters are the electoral votes. RCP now has Obama at 286 and McCain at 155 with 97 in the Toss Up.

Even if McCain won all the Toss Up states, he'd still only have 252. He needs 270.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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I disagree. It does matter. If McCain can tighten the overall national polling differential down a few points, it'll also tighten the EV tally. If he can get within a couple of points consistently, I give McCain better than even odds of winning the election.

As long as there are no major stories against either candidate in the next two weeks (which is admittedly unlikely), I think the biggest threat to Obama is simply that the polling data is wrong. I've stated all along that his Achilles heel in regards to the polling data has been the fact that most of them are spotting him a 7-10 point voter affiliation advantage. Its not outlandish, but at the same time, its quite high as compared to the last 25-30 years. If it turns out to be more in line with historical norms, 3-5 points, things may end up much different on election night than the polls are currently predicting.

In any event, I expect it to be a very close election and I'll be surprised if either candidate even manages to break the 300EV mark. Obviously, there's still time for that to change if there's a so-called October surprise.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 05:16 PM
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I thought one of the changes made to the Political forums was NO BLOGS to try to substantiate facts? Wasn't it? Then why is this thread still here? Could it be ATS is receiving funding from the Obama campaign to try to push their agenda? Hold on. I'll go and write that on a website somewhere then post a thread here referencing it as fact.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 03:14 PM
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The current (November/Dember 2008) issue of Mother Jones Magazine has an excellent article on this (pg. 20) called "10 Ways to Steal an Election"....everything from caging lists, to long lines and broken machines that switch the vote...It's definitely worth picking up at the news stand. Another really good source on this is BBC investigative journalist and author of Armed Madhouse, and The best democracy money can buy, Greg Palast. In Armed Madhouse he updates the book with a new chapter on why the Democrats are behind by up to 8,000,000 votes before the election even starts...but you will have to read why.

Listening to national talk show host Randi Rhodes yesterday on the radio she said she tried to vote early in South Florida where she resides, and was in line for several hours and finally had to leave her place in line to go to work. Said she was disgusted that every election since 2000 we have had to fight for our right to vote...

Nice thread! Good to see folks are becoming informed.




[edit on 23-10-2008 by skyshow]



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 03:19 PM
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Did you purposely leave out ACORN or does that voter fraud not fit your agenda?



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 03:21 PM
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Pennsylvania is back in play and it's i believe 21 electoral votes. I think the most recent poll i saw was Mccain now within 2.

I dont trust these polls for anything though, whether for or against my candidate.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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Even though you posted a one liner; Acorn is interesting and deserves a little talking about too. A very nice red haring for the GOP who loves to side step the issue with this, and of course Fox News bangs on the drum. Interesting that in the last election charges against Acorn were brought up and nobody was convicted, in fact the justice dpt. refused to go forward on further investigations do to lack of evidence, and then key people were fired by the administration for refusal to investigate. This year same story. It's not voter fraud, what they are talking about is voter registration fraud; two entirely different things. This is where people who get paid on a quota basis for registrations, goes out and instead of actually registering real people, register bogus ones. Elections officials in the end however, must determine if "Micky Mouse" gets the green light to go and vote. This is why it's such a bogus issue. It's also why we have election commissioners to be sure that only real people are accepted to register. Moreover when McCain looses it offers the conservatives and Neo-cons a convenient scapegoat, albeit a false one. People are getting so sick and tired of this Rovian strategy...smear, fear, and distract everyone with scarecrow issues and red herrings. Unbelievable!

Nevertheless, it's good that you and others are interested in the issue at hand here. Moreover, even if acorn activities and allegations of fraudulent registration applications are raising eyebrows, then hopefully it will bring people into the fold here and get them to see the real situation of fraud, and that is in the systematic fraudulent strategy of massive strategic purges of millions on voter rolls and tons of tossed out ballots all over the United States.


[edit on 23-10-2008 by skyshow]



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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Another way he could lose is to come off as a radical extremist and with supporters shooting at homes with McCain signs and assaulting McCain volunteers it's a possibility.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537
I'm sorry, but there are many ways Obama can (and will) lose.
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It's time for Obama supporters to admit that he isn't a runaway winner, and that perhaps American just isn't ready for his socialist ideas.


No - let them continue to live in their fantasy world. Let them continue to think the race is won. Then maybe they won't bother voting since it's such a runaway...



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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www.ibdeditorials.com...

Most accurate 2004 poll.

Grab your riot gear Obamamaniacs and start what we already know you will do if you dont get your way. Begin childish/entitled feeling and action .............Nov. 4th. I will be able to use you as a good example for my kids as to how not behave and what an adult temper tantrum looks like. I know you wont let me down.



posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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that'd would be true if all the fraud wasn't founded by the democrats and obviously for obama.



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