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Real predictions!! dow will fall to 2300!!! proof also available.

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posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 09:20 AM
I think this guy is spot on with his forecast.A VERY scary world awaits.Also does anyone else think he looks awfully like matt parkman in Heroes?

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 09:47 AM
reply to post by KaginD

I tend to agree with you that the guy in the video definitely predicted a trend that started in September and quite honestly, he was only off by a few days as the low came on Oct. 10th. But after absorbing all these posts and quite frankly all the chatter on ATS for the past 6-8 months about October being a big month for "stuff", the timewave predictions, Reinhardt, etc..... I feel anyone could've made that video. Heck - the guy has a Ron Paul sign up in the background. One thing that really bugged me was the fact that he said he knew people who were pulling $400k-$500k out of their houses to "live the good life". That's ridiculous. I have some well-off friends and none of them did that and the guy in that video hardly looks like the kind of guy who knows anyone who might even have the potential to do that. He got that straight out of a Ron Paul stump speech or from the internet / news reports.

From people that I've talked to and commentary / analysis I've watched, my belief is that what happened to the DOW was pure panic and had nothing to do with the "technical" nature of the stock market. Maybe if we continue to operate out of pure panic it'll go down to 2300, but I don't think so.

Hopefully recent events will force people to re-evaluate our values, morals and ideals and how we live. If people adjust how they live (aka within their means), the markets will react accordingly and be fine as those DOW companies will offer value in products/services for people. I still believe it's going to get worse for the average family, but it has been bad even when the DOW was up. The DOW is not an indicator of how ordinary people live. We still have to get through this credit crunch, the housing / mortgage issue and the election. People will need to tighten up and look at how they spend their money.

This event has been an epiphany for a lot of people and I personally am hoping that people will start to live within their means. As soon as that happens, we're all better off.

One last thing - for all you NWO folks, we're not going "off the grid", martial law will not be declared, and we'll get through this really. It'll be rough, but we will survive - maybe without the Wii's and HDTV's, and news reports on Britney Spears, and wine-tasting events at uppity restaurants that have become so precious to us lately - but we'll survive with a renewed sense of what's important.

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 10:53 AM

We still have to get through this credit crunch, the housing / mortgage issue and the election. People will need to tighten up and look at how they spend their money.
reply to post by mbot222000
This is precisely what the markets reflect. No resolution has been identified for any of the issues you accurately listed.
My opinion which is based on absorbing and filtering the information available to me via alternative news, main stream news, and info programs from each, there are many dynamic problems and issues impacting the US and global economies. I don't have inside information from those in power at the highest levels and nor does anyone on this site.

Therefore, anyone who bases there decisions entirely one way (economic collapse) or (pulling through with minimal economic damage) can be negatively impacted. I'm basing this on terms of wealth protection. If one has a lifestyle of living paycheck to paycheck their only option is to try to maintain their employment, pay down debt, and try to reduce living expenses approx 20% to 30% or equal to the level of inflation we will ultimately see.

Other than that I am completely guessing, as anyone else would be to. The powers that be can manipulate, regulate, legislate, coordinate the economy/economies in many ways to the better of the masses or the worse. I don't rule anything out even martial law rising from economic chaos or a dramatic swing in the markets and economy within a year into a new bubble bringing us back an increase in GDP and Bull market trend to ride. Stay safe somewhere in the middle.

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posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 12:01 PM

Originally posted by FX44rice
If one has a lifestyle of living paycheck to paycheck their only option is to try to maintain their employment, pay down debt, and try to reduce living expenses approx 20% to 30% or equal to the level of inflation we will ultimately see.

This is GOOD advice regardless of whether you live paycheck by paycheck or not.

The point I was trying to make about the markets is that the value of the stock (technically) and thus the stock market should be based upon how that company is faring; not on whether or not there is "panic" in the marketplace. A lot of sound companies were victims of the recent panic and their price thusly driven down falsely. I agree with you anymore that the market captures more of a sentiment anymore than it really should. I mean how many times have we seen a company's share price go down after it's profits aren't what we expected.... It's crazy - Company X made a profit of 61 cents per share as opposed to 63 cents, and it still goes down.

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 01:13 PM
No offense but this guy hasn't even really been accurate. I found more things he was off on, than correct about. He predicted the euro getting even strong than the dollar and its fallen to 3 years lows. He predicted gold reaching 1500 and its fallen 25% to 750ish. His Dow prediction had 25% margin on it, and wasn't anything that most bearish analysts had been saying for the last year. He predicted horrible inflation, when most analysts agree we are in a deflationary period or even stagflation.

This guy isn't accurate, and falls more into the category of hyper-paranoid, and a copier of the most paranoid/negative people out there.

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 01:55 PM
After world war II the fascists decided they needed a new term for themselves, as fascism was exposed as the evil philosophy it is. They chose the term Libertarian. I have to be skeptical of any rhetoric coming from libertarians (fascists).

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posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 02:07 PM
I'm not convinced at all. Where are the facts that he talks about? Where are the figures? If he really wanted to get a point across he needs to stop stating the prediction and start telling us why. Also, if these people have predicted and believe what they say is going to happen wouldn't you be trying to short everything and make some spare $$$ for the upcoming depression. Not trying to get some efame...

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 04:22 PM
Your nation in terms of the citizens of the United States of America have been bankrupt many years now, through the medium of the federal reserve bank. Since then individuals associated with that take over have captured the commanding heights of your economy. Including the government, Judiciary, Military, banking and the protective services etc. Even what is professed as christianity. The extent to which they have put the American citizens to sleep is quite amazing. What I have found interesting is that everyone writes about these people but they never take it back to their source of power.

I enjoyed the video. I agree that the crash will take place within a year from now. There definetly will be martial law. A brigade that returned from Irag that specialises in crowd control has already been placed on duty in several key cities since 1st October 2008. The threat that they made to several of your senators to declare martial law if they did not pass the bail out bill was not an idle one.

Right now apart from the tent cities that have sprung up outside all your cities, their is a big one on the canadian border with probably by now a hundred thousand people in it. As of December last year there were already sixty thousand plus. BBC has a video on this.

When this is finish there will be no middle class. Not just in America, but in every nation they will be finacially ruined along with many rich who 'do not fit into the scope of things.' Not only Americans citizens will go beserk. Mentally the world population, they will not be able to deal with what is facing them. What you are seeing appears to be a great maze of greed and recklessness. But behind the scenes these things are being coordinated. Are you all aware of the many detention centers that have been set up all over the United states.

I believe that the narrator in the video is more than just working backwards with facts and figures. But I hope he continues to do what he is doing. However their is really no human way out of this one. How much food can you hoard. The bottom line is that the present day money system is already dead and a new order is about to be ushered.

The scriptures say 'Like a snare it will come upon the whole world, watch and pray least you be counted worthy to escape"

The trap has been set for the nations and they have been caught.


posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 05:39 PM
I like this guy and believe he is credible. No fancy psychic predictions - just a logical outcome based upon several pathways. Kind of like a baker watching a novice baker - the novice adds too much flour, the experienced baker can tell you with 100% certainty that the cake is going to taste dry and tough - 6 hours before anyone actually tastes it at the dinner party. Thanks for the link.

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 07:28 PM
But he hasn't been accurate!

His Dow prediction was like me saying "In Phoenix on August 1st next year it will be between 90-115 degrees." Easy prediction about the heat and a nice huge range. Same with the markets and this guy.

No offense but his accuracy and predictions aren't anything special.


posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 07:31 PM
Here's the thing, this guy posting on YouTube is no different than the THOUSANDS of others that make similar projections.

This guy's YouTube link should have never been created as a thread, nor should people actually be trying to disprove his accuracy.

The fault goes to the thread creator for making this a "hero" that everybody feels the need to try and discredit.

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 07:39 PM
Thanks for posting this. Smart guy, he knows what he is talking about.

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 08:23 PM
Watch this guy's videos too
He has predicted in July 2007 that oil will shoot up above 100 dollars and gold will go above 1000( it was 666 on the day of the video) within less than a year

posted on Oct, 22 2008 @ 09:27 PM
You can't really say he's crazy because no one at the time that he made the first video would back him up. Scary thing is that he had predicted 400 up down days on the dow and we have seen 600,700,800,etc. rally days. Don't think it can get much worse but really would you have believed this guy before the events of the past month? NO. What he says about the debt and inflation all makes sense really. I think what he says really sums up what the world (not just America) is headed for thought there is no doubt in my mind America has set itself up for a collapse of epic proportions which hasnt been seen in a long time.

posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 04:26 AM

Originally posted by bruxfain
When I was in school I was to be one of those people who studied my lessons, did my homework and performed well on tests. I always wondered what happened to the classmates of mine who blew off their lessons, didn't do homework, cheated on tests to pass and ultimately didn't finish much school past high school.

Now I realize that they make videos like the one, I just watched. He touched on all the hot talking points...weak currencies, inflated housing prices, unsustainable consumer-slave based economic systems, psychological impact of economic depression, etc. but nothing of real substance.

He never once commented on agricultural output or processing, transportation or communications. Was there a drought, are crops failing, is livestock being destroyed? Are all of our highways gone, our airports, our seaports, our railroads? Have our cities disappeared? Has the oil been used up? Did our work force disappear or lose all of their skills? Are babies still being born? Is something wrong with our public utilities? Do men and women still enjoy one another? Surely something must happen in these areas FIRST. He only mentioned the housing market because the housing market is the only place there might be a problem.

He only talks about abstractions such as financial markets as if they were real life as opposed to just a reflection of real life as they are.

Financial markets are easily susceptible to every perversion of the human mind and the only thing that a declining or rising market is a true measure of, especially in the present time, is the depravity of people who actively participate in them.

I think that at no time in history has the Dow been as worthless a barometer of the human condition as it is today. And people like the one who made this video are really doing everything they can to infect the REAL WORLD.

The only thing that will probably be completely and unapologetically destroyed in this current upheaval is these markets. The News will stop reporting the Dow, S&P and Nasdaq, as they mean nothing and are contributing to the problem in our society and others. This is where the wealth of nations is arbitraged and hedged away. That's my prediction.

No offense, but you sound hella arrogant.
You posting on this site is just the same as this dude making a video...

Oh no, he didnt touch on EVERYTHING there is to touch on... what an idiot.

I think that him predicting all this stuff before the majority of people noticed makes him a step above the rest.
Notice I say the majority of people. yes, i might not be talking about you. But the majority of people in the states don't realize whats happening right in front of them.
Oh no, I started a sentence with "But," please dont degrade me now.

This video is a GREAT video for those that have no clue whats going on.
You talk about all this stuff he didnt touch on, but your talking to the few people who talk about it all the time, not the people who have no clue what going on around them... At least he's trying to educate people, and I'm sorry, but predicting this stuff 6 months before IS significant.
Anything can happen in 6 months, and to predict the govt.'s next move is kind of a big deal, and worth listening to to predict future circumstances.

Can I ask what you do for a living?
Are you trying to make a change?
Are you working in developing new transportation, or more efficient ways to cultivate agriculture?
Or do you just post on conspiracy forums as if your better then the rest of the average joes?
yes, I know, You never said you were better, but we can all tell from the tone of your post its what you think.
and if its not, then work on the way you present things.

posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 05:45 AM

Originally posted by N. Tesla
where is the proof? i see him making predictions but where is the back up? he isn't saying anything that isnt known. he is saying where things will go if things continue. he is not saying unknown. i don't disagree. im jsut saying what its not really anything that could be proven

Exactly, and the numbers on the dollar are not correct (it did only reach 1,60 in euro and it is back up now at 1,29, due the stockers faithcrisis on the EU economy) of course and the rest is educated guessing, the essence of what he was saying, that there is a crisis and that was visible for a lot of people, and certainly for people with a complottist view of the world.

In June 2008 I had a tread of Fortis chairman Lippens foretelling teh fall of a lot of US banks. He was more or less right and his own bank was the biggest european victim of the result.

I think this years predictions on the crisis can't be counted as predictions.

posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 11:59 AM
You want to see someone who is really accurate, check out New York University Professor Nouriel Roubini. This guy started warning of the collapse in 2005 and 2006.

Here what he said. Sorry the link is from February 2008, can't find the 2006 one anymore:

posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 01:08 PM
Excellent and awaiting more from him.
Called it right on, and hope his current scenario is way off.

But I don't think so.

posted on Oct, 23 2008 @ 01:25 PM
reply to post by johnny2127

If you read Roubini's 12 steps, we've made it through 11 and a half of those. I guess that last half is what we have to worry about. My thought is that if this is as bad as it gets through 11 and a half, then it won't get as bad as the doom and gloomers are saying it's gonna get.

We're headed for more difficult times for sure, but we'll eventually end up OK.

Just remember that bull markets do follow bear markets and that the downside of the end of the bear market is very small compared to the initial up-thrust of the next subsequent bull market. If you come in after that while you're trying to exchange your gold for stocks - you'll miss it.

Just remember - dollar cost averaging.

posted on Oct, 24 2008 @ 02:55 AM
You want to make money.
When the stock market hits bottom buy.
As soon as the stock market starts to hit record highs sell and go into CDs and gold
When the stock market hits record highs gold is at lows.
When the stock market tanks sell the gold and get ready to buy stocks.
When the stock market tanks gold will have hit highs.

Don't try to play the market when its high you will make very little money.
Don't try to play gold when its high you will make very little money.

Its not buy low sell high.

Its buy at a tanked point and get out as soon as it hits highs.

It has always worked for me.

Playing the stock market or gold when they are high and trying to play daily or weekly fluctuations is for the big boys with there billions not the little guy.

If you try the big guy will get your money in the long run.

i still am waiting for the real low of this stock market tank.
look for the unemployment levels to stop climbing and companies to start hiring .

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