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Originally posted by InterestedObserver
Well he was wrong about gas, we're seeing $2.40 here in San Antonio, and I hear the price is dropping elsewhere. He couldn't predict that when demand goes down price goes down?
Originally posted by InterestedObserver
Well he was wrong about gas, we're seeing $2.40 here in San Antonio, and I hear the price is dropping elsewhere. He couldn't predict that when demand goes down price goes down?
Originally posted by GhostR1der
reply to post by bruxfain
It's because as we are already seeing.. it only takes a small part of the big fake puzzle to break and it trips the rest up.
When people have no houses and no jobs, who will look after the oil wells? Highways? Airports? That's the problem.
Originally posted by leo123
The proof will only come once it has happened.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Ironic.. a season of joy, family, food, closeness and celebration.. a season of sacrifice and love .. decides the fate of our economy.
I guess this is God's ironic way of chastising us for bastardizing it.
Originally posted by KaginD
Not to bump my own thread.. But no one sees this as important?? I hope someone will watch this and get something out of it, I did..
Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
The DOW will not hit 2300 points. I don't think many people here know just how low that is. I am not saying things aren't bad, but we won't all die and the sky will not fall. We will get up tomorrow. And in a few years from now investors will be riding yet another boom, another bubble. When it pops, it pops. There have been many such occurrences.
I truly think many people on ATS keep their minds so opened that their brains fall out.
[edit on 20-10-2008 by RetinoidReceptor]
Originally posted by bruxfain
Originally posted by GhostR1der
reply to post by bruxfain
It's because as we are already seeing.. it only takes a small part of the big fake puzzle to break and it trips the rest up.
When people have no houses and no jobs, who will look after the oil wells? Highways? Airports? That's the problem.
Its not a problem, the houses still exist and looking after the oil wells, highways and airports is the job. For his scenario to be plausible something that is here now has to be absent in the future. Is there a natural disaster on the horizon, a plague...what? It has got to be something. The market does not just go up and down, without something REAL to justify it. This video could at best hope to increase uncertainty moderately and maybe put some downward pressure on stocks.
But what is it? He never says what will happen to send the Dow to this ridiculously low level. Not even the most pessimistic investors could just sit back and possibly miss out on buying opportunities of a lifetime because of rumors.
A collapse in growth, is the fed going to have to raise rates really high, are entire markets going to vanish. Which ones and where and when? He provides not one answer, his whole understanding is just pop conspiracy street slang. Nothing of substance. But he does possess a skill; he was able to record the video and post it on the internet. He even kept a straight face.
This so-called housing crisis is not as profound as you may think 1/500 homeowners per month with foreclosure notices. The majority of Americans did not participate and are not a part of the housing bubble. Contagion is possible but the government has made it a policy to contain it and individual households are taking steps to dampen the impact on their personal finances.
The video is just enemy propaganda. His conclusions are not even reasonable. It's not effective nor scary. Its a low quality production, his analysis of the economy is poor and understanding of the most complex economy in the world incomplete.
I'd give this a D- and the only reason I'd give him that high a grade is because I wouldn't want to risk seeing him in my class again.
[edit on 20-10-2008 by bruxfain]
Originally posted by alphabetaone
Originally posted by InterestedObserver
Well he was wrong about gas, we're seeing $2.40 here in San Antonio, and I hear the price is dropping elsewhere. He couldn't predict that when demand goes down price goes down?
This isn't necessarily comforting. Such a quick decrease in demand that isn't driven by consumer decision but by consumer default is far more scary than anything the DOW 30 can show you. This show's the beginning of something far more horrific; deflation.
Forget the DOW, people put so much emphasis on the DOW, when the DOW is predominantly banking in the first place. Seriously, how many of you cared about the DOW and it's components a year ago? I would venture to say relatively few.
You want to worry about something, DO worry about deflation, that is what will kill us, not flatlining of the DOW.
While this guy in the videos is probably right on about what he is saying, sincerely there have been many others also who have not only been saying it for months, but for years. In fact, a good friend of Bill Fleckenstein who is a money column writer for MSN has an acquaintance from Australia. His name is Das, he has been foretelling of this for years. Das is probably one of the fore most authorities on the Derivative markets in the world, he has said time and time again that it all can't last; maybe people should have listened when it could have made a difference.
Also many writers in China and Japan have been saying this for at least 4 to 5 years now, I guess no one listened to them either, or turned a blind eye. At any rate, we, to a very large degree, deserve what's happening now, and like Rockpuck said, what could be a very dark time.
Don't discount the guy in this video though, simply because he isn't a clone of Paulson and Kashkari though...he definitely has quite a bit of merit.
AB1
Originally posted by KaginD
reply to post by N. Tesla
The first video was from March of 2008. He predicted that the Dow would fall to around the 8000 point marker by September. He also said the S&P would see the 800's. He said all of this 6 months before it happened and even went as far as saying what the value of the Dow would be. Thats proof that he knows what he is talking about IMO. Its not every day you hear someone call something that dead on.
Originally posted by bruxfain
When I was in school I was to be one of those people who studied my lessons, did my homework and performed well on tests. I always wondered what happened to the classmates of mine who blew off their lessons, didn't do homework, cheated on tests to pass and ultimately didn't finish much school past high school.
Now I realize that they make videos like the one, I just watched. He touched on all the hot talking points...weak currencies, inflated housing prices, unsustainable consumer-slave based economic systems, psychological impact of economic depression, etc. but nothing of real substance.
He never once commented on agricultural output or processing, transportation or communications. Was there a drought, are crops failing, is livestock being destroyed? Are all of our highways gone, our airports, our seaports, our railroads? Have our cities disappeared? Has the oil been used up? Did our work force disappear or lose all of their skills? Are babies still being born? Is something wrong with our public utilities? Do men and women still enjoy one another? Surely something must happen in these areas FIRST. He only mentioned the housing market because the housing market is the only place there might be a problem.
He only talks about abstractions such as financial markets as if they were real life as opposed to just a reflection of real life as they are.
Financial markets are easily susceptible to every perversion of the human mind and the only thing that a declining or rising market is a true measure of, especially in the present time, is the depravity of people who actively participate in them.
I think that at no time in history has the Dow been as worthless a barometer of the human condition as it is today. And people like the one who made this video are really doing everything they can to infect the REAL WORLD.
The only thing that will probably be completely and unapologetically destroyed in this current upheaval is these markets. The News will stop reporting the Dow, S&P and Nasdaq, as they mean nothing and are contributing to the problem in our society and others. This is where the wealth of nations is arbitraged and hedged away. That's my prediction.