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911 Truth, Fading Away?

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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After reading another thread at a different forum, I decided to look into the possibility of 911 Truth fading into the sunset. Not gone forever, but to journey into the sunset with other well known conspiracies. Flat Earthers, Moon Landing Hoaxes, JFK Assassination, etc.

After looking at statistics here and other internet sources, it has become obvious that for the most part. The amount of traffic at sites, the donations to different organizations, and the participation of those involved in the truth have all been on a drastic decline since 2006. (5th year anniversary of 911)

Of coarse, there are exceptions to the rule as I am sure there are some truthers that may in fact gather some momentum.

I look at some that use their own hard earned money to try to support their cause, yet fail at the follow through.

PF911 Truth for one example. They spend countless hours translation raw data from FDR's, claim to have found proof......and release a video.

CIT for another. Craig and Aldo have spent I believe a considerable amount of time and money getting their own evidence to support their belief's.

They too release a video. Craig does go on far left internet radio sites to spread his word.

That's it though. They stall. They gather no momentum.

The 911 Truth Movement was a very loud movement for some time. On the internet. The seriousness of the claims of 911 were very seldom taken out of the internet forums into the real world. (5th year anniversary is a slight exception.)

The following is some data that I found. Along with some data Mark Roberts found.

I would like opinions on which direction each of you think the movement is heading. This isn't a debate on NIST, Flyovers, or anything of that nature. I would like TRUE opinions from truthers and "non"- truthers.

Truth Organizations:
Boston:
911 Truth Leafleting @ Regata where 300,000 people may attend!
Oct 18th:

Who attended?
Estimated attendance: 2 people attended.

October 19th:
Who attended?
Estimated attendance: 1 people attended.

New York:

New York For 911 Truth
Last website update:
Updated 8/26/2008 10:17:57

–Attendance at the big NYC Sept. 11 truther rally
2006: 1000+
2007: about 300
2008: 120-150 (truthers' estimates)

Philly 4 911 truth. – Since june 22nd has raised 25 dollars toward a goal of 15K
Last activity planned: July 28th, 2008 by N. Carangi
(besides their weekly truther meetings)

www.columbus911truth.org... - site is down.

Websites:

The traffic at the largest 9/11 truther website has fallen drastically over the past year:

911blogger.com unique visits, Sept. 2007: 337,000
911blogger.com unique visits, Sept. 2008: 187,000
911blogger.com had fewer visits this September, the big month for truther attention, than in all but four other months in the past year. Overall, unique visits are down by 47% over last year.

Here at ATS:
Posts Threads
Breaking Alternative News 458,849 9.1 % 26,229 6.7 %
Aliens & UFOs 430,108 8.5 % 21,208 5.5 %
General Chit Chat 221,547 4.4 % 13,893 3.6 %
War On Terrorism 206,474 4.1 % 14,213 3.7 %
9/11 Conspiracies 168,592 3.3 % 5,036 1.3 %

IF some mods could add some additional historical data to this, it would be greatly appreciated.




posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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I believe that this will fade away as you have said and be just like JFK. Most folks with a brain know something isn't quite right, but also understand that if the real truth was to come out, there would be anarchy and a complete loss of control. So I guess it's better to just wait for time to reveal the truth. Kind of like the USS Liberty, and eventually after Daddy Bush passes, JFK. To argue with anyone about what will never be told is pointless. And there is no such thing as UFOs,(as far as you know).
How am I so sure? Well, the gubament told me so!



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:24 PM
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I see the resident debunker is dreaming in TechniColour again.

Alot of wishfull thinking. Never happen. 911 truth and world truth is on the rise and your sweating.

Victims and the children of 911 are reaching that age where they are very angry as to why they dont have parents and are demanding answers , this is only the beginning.



[edit on 20-10-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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911 Truth, Fading Away?


posted by IvanZana
I see the resident debunker is dreaming in TechniColour again.

Alot of wishfull thinking. Never happen. 911 truth and world truth is on the rise and your sweating.

Victims and the children of 911 are reaching that age where they are very angry as to why they dont have parents and are demanding answers , this is only the beginning.

If 9-11 Truth is fading away, then why are the paid disinfo agents spending so much time on the many different forums with their desperate denials and strawman arguments and blatant disinformation? Why can't they take some well earned time out and take a break?

These are actual verified and re-interviewed eyewitnesses at the Pentagon



The Pentagon aircraft was proven over the Naval Annex and north of the Citgo by real breathing living actual eyewitnesses who were not fabricated by the corporate owned Mainstream News Media. Do not believe the disinfo agents flooding the forums. The disinfo agents cannot become convinced by argument and evidence and logic, because they are not paid to become convinced.

The official 535 mph Flight 77 flight path is just not possible folks.





[edit on 10/20/08 by SPreston]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by SPreston

If 9-11 Truth is fading away, then why are the paid disinfo agents spending so much time on the many different forums with their desperate denials and strawman arguments and blatant disinformation? Why can't they take some well earned time out and take a break?



I asked if we could refrain from getting into CT debates on this thread. Preston, I assure you we have all seen the witnesses.

This is about the truth movement as a whole. If you read the OP you would have know this. You would have also know that I mentioned CIT and the time and money they put into their theory.

I would like to know why the support for these groups have died down.

Or has it?



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Alot of wishfull thinking. Never happen. 911 truth and world truth is on the rise and your sweating.


Ivan, I dare to ask. Do you have any stats from websites? Truther meetings? Appearances? Anything at all to support your claim?

Since you have NEVER ONCE in your time here at ATS offered evidence, I highly doubt you will start now.

Sweating? Not really, there is a cool breeze here at the ocean today.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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9/11 MADNESS
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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:59 PM
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If 9-11 Truth is fading away, then why are the paid disinfo agents spending so much time on the many different forums with their desperate denials and strawman arguments and blatant disinformation? Why can't they take some well earned time out and take a break?


You mean I could get paid to sit at home and rip apart the ridiculous 9/11 conspiracy theories? Where do I sign up for that job.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Terrorcell


wow you're the jref zionist porky76, arent you?

has to be. there is no way there are 2 people on this planet that incredibly ignorant.



Off topic and an personal attack. (oh and you're wrong)

Reported

I assume you have something on topic to add Dom?



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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GO get em TC ...
and I just read the Site Owners STOP the Madness ... ha ha ha ... well if that is so, lets discuss Israel without me being axed and having to sign up for another Email address and all... I ran out of screen name thoughts... he killed some good ones...

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and codewarrior
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However it appears that my posts are still accessible... search me out... thats kind of cool ... but getting less cool by the day ... here at ATS

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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BornPatriot....

Anything to add sir?

I didn't think so.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:56 PM
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Not one star or flag for this substance less, wishfull thinking thread. Gee, I wonder why.






Throat, swampfox, and others, who have failed in every thread to support the official story and have actually destroyed it. But you know that already.

What is happening now is that the 'debunkers' and other people are easily identified and their methods are not incongnito anymore. Time to shine the light on these people and make them public.



Read this post www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 20-10-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 20-10-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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I am not a debunker but I think there are good reasons to let 9-11 be and concentrate on what has happened since and what seems to be imminent.
A bush dictatorship could happen in a moment.
Obama was born in kenya. Could he be a pawn to distract attention from the fascist plan to collapse our country?



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Terrorcell
9/11 MADNESS
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i once started a thread questioning the 'motives' for duh-bunkers who think our 'theories' are silly and that we're 'insane' and it was instantly deleted as being provocative.

how is this thread any different?



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 02:03 AM
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TY, I think IvanZana is right! So dose Dora! I gave her an extra cookie.
TY did you go to IvanZana wonderful link www.abovetopsecret.com...

You should drop in, and thank her for doing a great thread.
I believe she has asked some good questions, and giving us some good links, you should stop over have some tea, maybe some crumpets, read awhile, have a little chat, and be polite.
Dora thinks Ivan is the best thing in the 911-truth movement, and I have to agree with the poor dear.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Of course it's fading away.

It'll never die though.

Too many individuals with poor self esteem have argued in favor for the 9/11 CT's that the only "prop" that they receive any more to their self esteem is to continue with their pathetic denialism. Their very self identity depends on their continued spewing of stupid theories. They have no choice to stop because they have no other interests to fall back on that make them feel "good" or that they have some "special" destiny in life.

Just look at the responders in this very thread. They are a perfect example of that. In this thread, and in other threads that these damaged individuals post in, you'll see posts about "paid disinfo agents", and "disinfo specialists", and on and on. These are the most damaged and delusional of the bunch.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana
Time to shine the light on these people and make them public.


yes! Do it!!!!!

crickets.......

If one were able to plot the logic points of the "9/11 "Truth" Movement" (yes, quotes within quotes to highlights its absurd existence) on a "Reality grid" it would appear as nothing more than pure Brownian motion - a completely random meandering of disjointed and disconnected theories, idea, wishes, hopes, dreams or stories, meaning absolutely nothing in the big scheme of things.

That's why, in addition to getting paid HUGE sums of money from a black government account for sitting on the internet debunking all of you oh-so-important Troofers, we also take great mirth and enjoyment in watching the days...and months...and years...and soon to be decades go by without out one of you doing one damn thing about this, according to you "the world's most horrible mass murder".

How are those tee shirt sales going, Captain Bob? Ranke? Sell many hats today?

Seriously. Think of how absolutely absurd the whole concept is that people would get paid for debunking Preston or Ranke or Alpo or Captain Bob or the others here on ATS or other boards. Hubris is a good thing, for some vocations, but for you guys it really is the height of hilarity. You are not important, in the least, in any way, shape or form. We are here throwing the BS flag on you because it is so much fun - and easy.

Got that Andrews departure/DCA approach thing worked out yet, Captain Bob? Give him a hand, Craig, could you?


[edit on 21-10-2008 by pinch]



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 03:01 PM
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(Of course it's fading away.

It'll never die though.

Too many individuals with poor self esteem have argued in favor for the 9/11 CT's that the only "prop" that they receive any more to their self esteem is to continue with their pathetic denialism. Their very self identity depends on their continued spewing of stupid theories. They have no choice to stop because they have no other interests to fall back on that make them feel "good" or that they have some "special" destiny in life.

Just look at the responders in this very thread. They are a perfect example of that. In this thread, and in other threads that these damaged individuals post in, you'll see posts about "paid disinfo agents", and "disinfo specialists", and on and on. These are the most damaged and delusional of the bunch.)


Your imply your own authority,
and expertise but fail to provide credentials, and you also fail to address issues and cite sources. You simply cite Dick,& Jane-like' information to make us think you know what you are talking about. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics?

It sounds like Doctor Suess to me. I don’t know anywhere else to find writing that makes no sense! We are not children so do not tell us fairy tales that you put yourself to sleep with because they make you feel secure. You are not Freud so quit trying to psychoanalyze us, you are not mature enough to think out side the box.

TTFN,
Cash.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:08 PM
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So we post here for Stars and Flags? Is that what Ivan is all about? Wow he can cut and paste articles from Prison Planet.

All the huffin and puffin from him, Terrorcell (Dom), Cashlink,.. etc.

Not one of you have responded to my OP with any proof what so ever that contradicts the data I presented.

I have shown that the Truth Movement is taking a long walk into the sunset. I will predict another peek at the 10 year anniversary, but like the 5th year, it will drastically drop off.

Now, if anyone has any data to refute my OP, I am all ears. I am sure there is a website here and there that may have increased traffic. I have yet to see one. I am sure there are Truther meetings where more than 2 truthers show up, I have yet to see it.

The fact remains that the truth movement has declined. I agree it will not die anytime soon, but it's time has come and gone.



posted on Oct, 21 2008 @ 08:17 PM
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Same debunkers trying to stir up the same topic, again and again and again and again and again...

reminding me of a couple of coined phrases:

* Keep repeating the lie over and eventually people will believe it.

and

* Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

The one positive you can get from these type 'debunk' threads, at least you know who "they" are, and whatever they try to talk about, usually means they are trying to take attention off important topics on the matter at hand.

Got to love them for their commitment though.. I mean with the economy now and job cuts expected.. one has to show results to stay employed thesedays...



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