Biden hints at crisis AFTER Obama is elected

reply to post by Marid Audran


I recall seeing a talk by Obama in the early campaign days about how the US and my take was 'he' believed in the support of Isreal by the US. The jump by the new administration to the UN solution seems less likely unless the outcome is to somehow favor Israel. I would think he just wouldn't display as much support as the current administration would. Of course there is always the bad intelligence card to sway the president into action.

My feeling is that the US wouldn't go against Israel and would help where possible because of the dislike of the Iran situation, real or not.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
But USA involved...

no, no, no... our own personal troubles appear at the very right moment now to assure we don't face down those who wil really wear the Blue UN turbans in the region after the Nukes fly

We will sacrifice Isreal to accomplish our goals, been the plan for decades

That is an interesting theory. So the support for Israel has been there in material but a bit false from the point of the words that pledge our backing.

You could be right, just another move in the game. I wonder if losing close support for Israel would change the region's view of the US or has the damage been done and is much deeper then an ally.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by roadgravel

 

If Iran nukes Israel...there is going to be much unrest in religious circles. I don't know exactly what the bible says as i'm not very religious...but i do believe that when Israel is attacked..that is the beginning of the end. Sorry this is way off topic...just replying to last post.

I'm sure someone can verify if this is true or not. Like i said i'm not religous so i don't know...but my old man tells me this stuff sometimes.

[edit on 20-10-2008 by David9176]

It says that the end times will begin when the enemy of the chosen people (Isreal) is attacked, God will protect them from annihilation. From there we have 7 years, give or take a year, until the return of Christ. During that 7 years we will become a one world government, God punishes those who are enemies of the chosen, famine, disease, natural diseasters and death.

I'm not religous either, I just read up on the stuff. However, things are happening that is starting to look like the book of Revelations so I'm rethinking my way of thinking. Better to believe in God and turn out to be wrong, then not believe in him and burn in hell.

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Um, can someone translate this for me? What is he saying here? When Obama makes a decision the people are going to think they're sound decisions, but not like them?

Wait. Unpopular decisions are sound decisions. Popular decisions are unsound decisions.

Does this mean Biden would say Bush's policies are actually sound, since they're so unpopular?

You know, this whole thing sounds to me like a kid on the schoolyard who knows about the pop quiz coming but has been sworn to secrecy and just can't keep his trap closed. Biden obviously knows something -- has been told of something, probably in their foreign policy ramp-up meetings of late -- and is just bursting to tell everyone what he knows. Way to go, Joe. You're exactly who we need handling foreign policy matters.


Back to add: Isn't anyone else annoyed by the condescension in what he's saying? It's the same old "we know better than you do" attitude from government. Silly citizens, thinking you know what's good for you. Just trust us. We know what's best. UGH.

[edit on 10/20/08 by GirlNextDoor]

]Originally posted by GirlNextDoor Um, can someone translate this for me?

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

]"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'

Translated: I told you he wasn't ready!

"Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made,

Translated: Okay, for someone with no experience, I like what he's thinking.

they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound.

Translation: I like what he's thinking, but this might not be a good idea.

Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."[/

Translation: I went along with it becasue the polls said it seemed like the right thing to do.


[edit on 10/20/2008 by TheRooster]

reply to post by TheRooster


Whatever he's saying, it doesn't sound good. For anyone. Well, except maybe himself.


Edited to add: you keep changing your translation, ha! I like that last one. With that argument (popular doesn't equal sound), then maybe a vote for Obama isn't such a good thing in the first place, eh?

[edit on 10/20/08 by GirlNextDoor]

Originally posted by GirlNextDoor
Edited to add: you keep changing your translation, ha! I like that last one. With that argument (popular doesn't equal sound), then maybe a vote for Obama isn't such a good thing in the first place, eh?

I had to go back and read and re-read it, that's why they changed. I believe they're called "Bidenisms".

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to be better than everybody at something but get no credit for it because you aren't the "rock star"
he's way more qualified for the job, he's not as young or good-looking, so he got bidened.
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2. biden
To biden (v. tr.): to plagiarize. To lift wholesale from someone else's work or biography, and apply it to one's self, as if it were part of one's own past.
He then began to biden liberally from his idol's letters and accounts of his childhood, fashioning these into a new identity for himself
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by Andronikov May 22, 2006 share this 1 comment

Yes that kind of throws up a red flag when the VP nominee starts belittiling the Pres candidate before he takes office,so why should we gamble on electing someone who says right off there will be trouble,and as far as doing something for the President could it be socialism?,I wouldn't touch him with a 12 ft pole

Finally, some of you are actually getting it. Obama can talk a great speech and wow people at a debate, but he lacks substance to do the right thing when the chips are down. Even Biden knows it, and now we have it straight from the horse's mouth.

Powell is endorsing Obama based on the actions of the McCain campaign over the last couple of months, that the campaign was run so negatively and says he doesn't like where the Republican party is going (I'm not buying into the theory that Powell is endorsing Obama based on skin color).

Does anybody have a YouTube link to the actual recording of this speech?

Originally posted by sos37
Finally, some of you are actually getting it. Obama can talk a great speech and wow people at a debate, but he lacks substance to do the right thing when the chips are down.

I didn't get that impression at all from the article. Biden said an international crisis, a generated crisis, would purposely test the USA and possible-President Obama. How he would respond would be greatly unpopular, yet necessary.

I'm not sure what he means by that...but doesn't mean he is inept. I take it more as his decision to fight back with a nuclear bomb, confiscating guns from all major cities, something very radical.

This is why I'd love to hear the actual recording of his words so I can gain a better impression of what the heck he's trying to imply.

I would wager that Biden is alluding to an economic crisis of global proportions. The decisions that Obama will make will be devastating to the American economy, but he'll sell it to the masses because "We're all in this together, and by all of us, I mean the global community".

"Wealth re-distribution is the FAIR thing to do". - Barack Obama

"Paying more taxes is the PATRIOTIC thing to do" - Joseph Biden

Better start brushing up on the European monetary system.

Originally posted by Marcus Calpurnius
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

Exactly, you guys will have all kinds of excuses for why nothing is Obama's fault. When we tried to blame Clinton for early problems facing Bush the media told us to " move on". Of course, you guys couldn't be expected to live by your own rules. There is always a way to rationalize excuses for democrats!

Not really. You appear to be making some assumptions here. Firstly, I have no direct vested interest in this as I'm not American - so therefore no voting for me - and none of the two party American system reflects my own politics anyway so I'm not actually a Democrat and nor am I making excuses for Democrats. I'm merely pointing out the fallacy of blaming a guy who's just sat down for problems that have been brewing for years. I'd say that about any leader whatever the country and whatever the political leaning.

Originally posted by jsobecky
I would wager that Biden is alluding to an economic crisis of global proportions. The decisions that Obama will make will be devastating to the American economy, but he'll sell it to the masses because "We're all in this together, and by all of us, I mean the global community".

"Wealth re-distribution is the FAIR thing to do". - Barack Obama

"Paying more taxes is the PATRIOTIC thing to do" - Joseph Biden

Better start brushing up on the European monetary system.

I would take it a step further and suppose it would be his administration that must sign into law the conversion into a one-world currency. Global socialism would be the theme, operating under a new global financial order.

Perhaps make a new form of money? The planetero? Good anywhere on earth?

Originally posted by MOFreemason

Originally posted by sos37
Finally, some of you are actually getting it. Obama can talk a great speech and wow people at a debate, but he lacks substance to do the right thing when the chips are down.

I didn't get that impression at all from the article. Biden said an international crisis, a generated crisis, would purposely test the USA and possible-President Obama. How he would respond would be greatly unpopular, yet necessary.

I'm not sure what he means by that...but doesn't mean he is inept. I take it more as his decision to fight back with a nuclear bomb, confiscating guns from all major cities, something very radical.

This is why I'd love to hear the actual recording of his words so I can gain a better impression of what the heck he's trying to imply.

I'm using the reasoning of people today - Bush made lots of greatly unpopular decisions that I believe were very necessary and he's been called every derogatory name in the book. People genuinely believe him to be incompetent.

So by this reasoning, Obama must also be incompetent if he makes vastly unpopular decisions, correct? If not, what makes him so much much more competent than Bush if they are both pissing off America?

See how stupid that sounds?

reply to post by MOFreemason

Originally posted by MOFreemason

I would take it a step further and suppose it would be his administration that must sign into law the conversion into a one-world currency. Global socialism would be the theme, operating under a new global financial order.

Yes. It would be sold under the premise that a single currency would add stability to the world economies. Then a burst housing bubble in one nation would be more easily absorbed around the world.

This will b the start of a true two-class system. Imagine the corruption! The Medici's and Rothschilds would be green with envy!

Well....If Obama gets elected President...

I am going to have to remind myself not to be in tall buildings or airplanes for the next few years to come.

I guess I can also forget investing due to the risk that one of the international crisis predicted might be a massive economic meltdown.

I can't imagine the number of things that can go wrong at the same time that will turn the candidate of change to the President that will be uttering "oh crap" every 5 minutes.

I hope that the coffee at the White House is as good as they say it is, because Obama is not going to know what sleep is in the coming years.

It's almost time to hit that panic button for sure Wutone!

Perhaps this is what Joe Biden has eluded to:

Iran detains two spy pidgeons near nuke site

Edited to add: Shamelessly plugs his own thread.

[edit on 10/20/2008 by TheRooster]