Biden hints at crisis AFTER Obama is elected, page 2
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reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 12:21 PM by Marcus Calpurnius
reply to post by Merriman Weir



Exactly, you guys will have all kinds of excuses for why nothing is Obama's fault. When we tried to blame Clinton for early problems facing Bush the media told us to " move on". Of course, you guys couldn't be expected to live by your own rules. There is always a way to rationalize excuses for democrats!


reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 12:47 PM by NGC2736
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I don't know how many people here changed schools as a youngster, but I did it regularly. The new kid is always pushed some just to establish the pecking order. Other nations, and leaders, do the exact same thing to each new American leader that emerges when they have little history on him. Sooner or later the test comes.

With the limited amount of political history the world has on Obama, someone will step up and take a swing, of some sort, to measure his willingness to be firm. It is true that McCain might not face exactly that same testing, as most nations would expect him to act/react in the same manner as W has for the last eight years.

I am heartened to see that the Obama team has the foresight to recognize that such a thing is coming. It speaks well for our future that such thoughts and possibilities run through the minds of those responsible for framing a response.

And it is also a fact that the government runs such scenarios in "think tanks" all the time. Being mentally prepared for a wide variety of possibilities is not only prudent, but failure to consider such things is what the present administration has used as an excuse for the total lack of a plan when 9/11 happened.

I personally would rather our leaders expect trouble and be ready, than to do a double take and look shocked when TSHTF.




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reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 01:02 PM by Oscitate
reply to post by NGC2736



It pays to be a realist -- in private. Given the intense climate of fear, atop the surging financial issue, adding fuel the fire is not good politics as far as I'm concerned.


reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 01:21 PM by Marcus Calpurnius
reply to post by nyk537



Its as if they don't want to get the Bush treatment. After 7 years of torpedoing everything he said or did, they are afraid it will come back to bite them.


reply to post by roadgravel


Huh. Doesn't that means it wasn't mismanaged but people would think it was. At some point it would be apparent that it was managed correctly.


Do me a favor and deny ignorance for just a few seconds. Tell me how ATS would react if this same point came from Bush?

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reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 01:23 PM by nyk537
reply to post by roadgravel



Kind of.

He is saying that he thinks whatever they do will be right, but we won't be able to tell. It will look like they are doing things wrong and people won't like them. Which is fine I guess if you believe that Obama can in fact make the correct decisions. I don't.

Biden is so full of himself though it's hard to tell.

I especially liked it when he put down everyone else by saying that he had forgotten more about foreign policy than most people knew.


reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 01:41 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic



Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by nyk537



To the contrary, this is one more reason to vote FOR him.

If this predicted crisis is not generated by pawns of the GOP purely to test Obama himself, but is instead an honest crisis (of which W has left many brewing), then at least Obama will decide on a course of action and stick to it, unless concrete evidence comes along to dictate a change.


Believe me, we're well aware of Obama's tendency to waver and flip flop, depending on which way the polls are running.

On topic, practically every new leader is tested by the world. This is nothing new, except that it shows a lack of confidence in Obama's ability to handle a crisis. His lack of experience is frightening.

Otoh, the candidates were recently briefed on international affairs, and it may just be Joe Biden bragging that he is "in the know".
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