It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by StargateSG7
The rockets carried were 2.75 inch FFAR's, unguided rockets. Point the aircraft in the right direction, push the button, and hope for the best. Effective range was about 3,700 yards but accuracy was terrible.
According to the report the radar target was lost before the interceptor got within range and no rockets were launched.
[edit on 21-10-2008 by Phage]
Originally posted by bluestreak53
I wasn't disagreeing, just commenting. In the early 1950s, before USSR developed operational ICBM capability, the primary threat in North America were long range bombers loaded with atomic bombs. Even after ICBMs were developed and deplyed, I am quite sure that USSR and US maintained long range bomber fleets that could reach targets in US (so I assume they could reach UK as well). And I believe that some bombers are still basically venturing to the edges of US/Canadian/Russian air space to this day.
However, I understand your point about radar protection and UK was already setting up a fairly extensive radar network during the second world war and has a much smaller land mass. In north america, the US and Canada were busy through most of the 1950s, building the pine tree line and then the dew line as well as an extensive network the US built in the northern states and Alaska.
I am certainly surprised to read that the order to fire was issued without the interceptors having had a chance to visually identify the targets so this certainly appears to be a very exceptional level of response to an unknown threat (as others have already noted).
Of course, as the government and military tell us, "Don't worry, UFOs are of no threat to national defense, so we don't study them and aren't bothered by them in the least". (or similar words to the same effect)
They don't tell us that they have on many occasions risked starting a possible inter-planetary war by firing on unknown craft that many in the Air Force and Navy believed to originate from other planets.
Originally posted by silver6ix
So in this incident of the F86-D Sabre it would most likely have been as the OP suggested, sidewinders and the fact it was a 24 missile volley selected seems to confirm this.
The interception radar (from Hughes Aircraft Co.) and associated fire-control computed the target's position, guided the aircraft on an intercept course to within 500 yards of the target, lowered the retractable tray of 24 rockets, and fired the rockets automatically. The effect of these weapons would have been devastating to an enemy bomber because each 2.75-inch Mighty Mouse folding fin aircraft rocket (FFAR) contained the power of a 75mm artillery shell.
Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by Raud
Its not proof we are not alone... Your confidence is based soley on faith thats all.
Twenty four 2.75-inch unguided Folding Fin Aircraft Rockets (FFAR) were the sole armament of the F-86D. Dubbed 'Mighty Mouse', they weighed 18 pounds each and could be fired in salvos of 6, 12 or 24.
A description which could be indicative of jamming.
an unidentified flying object with very unusual flight patterns. In the initial briefing, it was suggested to us that the 'bogey' actually was motionless for long intervals.
I specifically recall being advised that more than one GCI site and multiple 'unknowns' were involved and that the area extended into Scotland.
Again, this fits descriptions of the effects of jamming.
Information from the controller indicated the unknowns were changing speed and altitude quite frequently.
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
reply to post by silver6ix
Why do you keep bringing the CA-27 up? The planes involved that night were F-86Ds of the USAF 514th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, on stand-by alert, stationed at Manston. This is stated by Major Torres in his account. Have you even read it?
Originally posted by silver6ix
reply to post by Phage
Your source is probably doing the same as you, ASSUMING.
As I said before in my previous, the 514th were involved in the Sabre upgrade program and left Marston with the F86FE designation, that means those planes in 1957 were more lkely to be carrying our modifications and they were not standard USAF fighters, they were canadian MKIV Sabres upgraded by the RAF for you. 300 in total were modifed in Kent between 1956-1958.
The F86 FE was based on the AUSTRALIAN CAC modifications which was also known as the F86 F.
Again the point is moot it makes no difference what the missles or rockets were, but again you cannot prove what they were so why bother?
Again you have no conclusive proof that the weapons were mickey mouse thats an assumption made by the writer, the PILOT does not state, he only states that there were 24