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911 Conspiracy Facts - Incriminating

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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reply to post by IvanZana
 


For me, I normally steer clear of 911 threads all together. I get so frustrated in all I have learned, and hear and see people all over this country say.. "most people have forgotten about 911."
Or this or that.. Im sure we have all heard the lies. But then they call us liars and conspiracy theorists.
You dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to start to figure out whats going on!
Thats a great post OP.. But sadly I think its falling on deaf ears, and blind eyes.


President Bush said at a news conference Tuesday, "Nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envision flying airplanes into buildings on such a massive scale."

Yet bush said this too.


Reguardless of what you belive, 911 was a conspiracy from both sides of the story.
The offical conspiracy theory says that guys hijacked the planes and did what we all offical are told.
Then we have other sides saying so many other things its really hard to get the straight story.
As they love to warp our words, and so many people out there have molested this story to warp it even further.
The MSM claims anyone who says other wise, hates america, and think BUSH planned these attacks blah blah.
Or that nutty people say there where no planes at all and where holograms.
To much out there to just contain, and even as well presented as this OP was. IT too will be warped and taken out of context.

Why are so many people divided upon this subject manner.
People go absolutely crazy about this. And we are seemingly getting no where.. But truth be told, we are getting somewhere.
We are moving forward.

But nothing will be done until Bush is offically out of office.

You see in essence, his rule is holding this country hostage right now.
We have no choice.. We are not allowed to ask questions.
Its as if we have a gun pointed to our heads..
And if you speak up you are now a terrorist.

Keep on doing what you are doing, stick to your story, and try to remain calm.




posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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What i want to know is this, if there were no hijackers and no hostages on the four planes then where are they now? Something big is being coverd up and i belive the American government has a hand in it for sure, But what exactly is it?

I know there is a war in progress to seize the deposites of oil in Iraq,but what is the reason behind a war in Afghanistan? The only resourse of value i can see over there is the heroin trade. Is that the reason for the war over there.

I don't belive this is because of bin laden, i mean in reality if they realy wanted to kill him they could, he's living on the mountinous region between Afghanistan and Pakistan everyone knows this so does Britain and America. I think they need a Boogyman, a face of evil who you can see and say yes thats the reason for this war we'll get him in the end and he will pay the price for bloodying our waters. It wont happen that way though Bin laden will probibly die of ill health
deniying the people any real or perseved justice.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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id give anything to see the bush cabal tried for treason and hung on gallows in front of the whitehouse for all the world to see!!!

9/11 was an act of treason, not terrorism.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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I just thought of a question; what do the candidates for pres think about all this and what will they supposedly do? Is it too much to demand a newly elected group prosecute such warmongers and murderers? I also saw this morning that Colin Powell has come out as a traitor, supporting the communist candidate purportedly because he is black. Makes me consider becoming racist, but I know there are many Blacks totally against this kind of elitist BS, and the 'mainstream' of Black socialism and the strongest prejudice of any peoples, blacks against whites. I know they are not all rotten like that. But Powell surprised me. I used to like him. I used to respect him. Used to.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Great post. I am happy that you feel that way. So in your mind, no matter what they should hang bush?
These post will keep coming up, and keep falling apart. It is really silly to think how many people just want something to believe in, no matter what it is.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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The justification for the war in Afghanistan is simple: money.

Any large scale military activationm costs a huge sum of it in weapons, munitions, supplies etc. Then there is the huge rebuild cost which also now seems to fall to the attacking army.

These activations cost the American (and other allied nations) taxpayers signifcantly. Meanwhile, the politicians have their fingers in so many supply companies that they end up benefitting personally.

Look up documentaries such as 'Iraq For Sale' or anything to do with 'Blackwater' or 'Haliburton'.

It's the same with the Iraq conflict. Whilst the allies need to keep the flow of oil controlled, they don't need to steal it because they are making so much money from other sources.

PS I just caught 9-11 Ripple Effect which address some of the issues in this thread and may bring a few new issues to the discussion - highly recommended.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
I still don't understand why this stuff didn't hit the MSM, it's abdunantly clear that there was alot more involved than a cave dwelling saudi in one of the poorest countries of the world.


Well all the things listed in this thread did hit the MSM, like army officials stating that Dick Cheney was running the war games that day. They also said the chances of the war games they were playing actually coinciding with real terrorist actions on the same day were absurdly high. The MSM, however, did not amass together a damning case like the OP did, and they merely brushed it off as, "How spooky! Oh well, let's look at a grainy video of someone who might be Osama."

There is so much evidence that contradicts the official 911 story, which the Bush administration even acknowledges. Regardless of whether it was an inside job, if we still have mysteries surrounding this case, aren't we morally and ethically obligated to send in an independent research team to figure out what really happened that day? Of course we are, and that's exactly why it won't happen without us raising a stink about it.

Good job OP, keep fighting the good fight!


[edit on 20-10-2008 by Viral]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:28 PM
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Posting evidence of 911 conspiracies from a website called 911proof.com seems somewhat circular to me.

One of the main problems I have with all these "the government did it" theories, is the lack of actual people and the abundance of circumstance and conjecture, not to mention the obvious economic damage that would be caused to the host nation.

Everything seems to be based on secret planes flying over the Whitehouse, or unexpected military manouvers, or the way the buildings fell over, or the time delay in WTC7 going down etc etc, nothing about witnesses or insiders revealing their secrets.

Meanwhile there is the small problem of the Arab hijackers and their one accomplice that didn't carry out his mission, plus the statements from Bin Laden taking credit for the attacks, and the flight school personnel who unwittingly trained the terrorists.

Conspiracies involve people, where are they?



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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Now that conservatives are getting hit in the pocket book, and seeing wall street tumble, they are all of a sudden "outraged -- outraged!" at George Bush and the NeoCons.

Torture, false wars, ruining our standing in the world, getting rid of competent professionals to replace them with cronies -- not an issue. Oh, and complaints about election-rigging; "hey, we won, get used to it!"

The 9/11 false-flag event will be accepted after they've been really, really screwed. But by then, the Robber Barons will have left with their carpet bags full of loot. It won't matter, because people will be looking for work, food, or working for food by then.

"I told you so" will not feed your family or be any consolation for those of us who were telling them the score for years now -- we will all be in the same boat, and Conservatives and NeoCons should be tolerable again, as they are good people after all -- (just not good when they think you are weak).



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Retseh


plus the statements from Bin Laden taking credit for the attacks, and the flight school personnel who unwittingly trained the terrorists.



Your statement could not be more misinformed.


Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks
September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)
bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

archives.cnn.com...

And another one

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam
- Bin laden

Read the whole interview here. www.public-action.com...








[edit on 20-10-2008 by IvanZana]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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Ah yes, you can always trust Ivan to quote Taliban propaganda. You did realize that right? Those "quotes" are from a list of questions given by a muslim journalist to the Taliban government. He never once talked to Osama.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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FYI I DID THE RESEARCH AND I FOUND ALL THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WARRANTED A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE. THERES ENOUGH CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO MAKE ME BELIEVE THIS WAS AN ACT OF TREASON. MY COMMENTS ARE BASED ON MY OWN PRIVATE RESEARCH I DID OVER A COURSE OF TWO YEARS.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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Conspiracies involve people, where are they?

"They" are right in front of you. "They" hide behind a thin veil... plausible deniability. "They" smile and pledge allegiance to the flag. "They" pray to god. "They" are like the clown who visits children in the hospital while murdering and burying young boys under "their" house. "They" live in the apartment above and below you with refrigerators full of the body parts of victims dissected and prepared for consumption. "They" wear Armani Suits and run your economic system which was carefully crafted by "them" so at to enable "them" to rob you of your money and liberty while you actually believe that "they" are hard working American success stories. "They" watch you night and day waiting for signs indicating that you have awakened to your miserable desperate role in a tragedy scripted precisely to allow "them" to use and abuse you until the day you die.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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Just out of curiosity, for those who believe the attacks were all government or government agency planned events, what do you think happened at the Pentagon? Was it a remote-control plane that was crashed into the building, or do you support the theory of the group that says the orginal jet flew over the Pentagon, and it was detonated explosion?



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by fleabit
Just out of curiosity, for those who believe the attacks were all government or government agency planned events, what do you think happened at the Pentagon? ........


Please goto the Pentagon thread.

This thread is not about speculation or unproven conspiracies, its about facts. No assuming here.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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What a marvelous post. Thank you for all your effort. You are the kind of person who will change minds.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:35 PM
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Great post OP, what your presenting is evidence far more compelling and a statement of what is obvious well above and beyond theories about the colapse of the building, melting temperatures or demolition practices...

There is truth in your words I think as certainty.



But I must say, I have never gone off on the topic of 9-11 because from hour 1 I assumed that we had a hand in this and I was on the Brooklyn bridge for the event

The question I most ask myself is WHY and the answers I come up with are complicated and disturbing.

It is in the why that I both hesitate to attack the govt in my words and have the highest level of doubt as to the theories offered.

Few would agree with me, so I am not going to go into one of my ultra long shpiels here, I believe we did do something that would qualify as 'evil" if taken by itself... I also believe, that our actions and who and what we capaitulated with... will in the long run spare the absolute destruction of the United States, we will suffer... surely, and be under unamerican influences for some time to come...

But what I truely believe is that we are cooperating for the time being with agendas in ways designed to spare the lives of most Americas from a potentially much worse fate... that like the towers, what is happening to the USA now is a kind of "controled demolition" one that also like the towers is designed to leave as much as possible intact

The first assumption we all make is that We did this for our own greed, that the NWO to coin a phrase is a US led agenda... that our people are operating for thier own greed and power... what i would maintain is that, we are pinched, that the truth is much more complicated and we had reasons and those reasons had to do not with our great power but our very survival in actuality being at stake... that we chose not to make a stand, but rather capitualte now, to survive another day.

The oil wasn't for us... look past that simple fact and the whole thing globally becomes much more complicated, the rest is potentially in realms hard to believe... in terms of "what could scare the United States" what kind of power is really behind this all... and why would our leaders shoose to dismantle America piece by piece and go this route.

My theories I will keep to myself, but... Fear is the root of most Evil is what I will say, It's all a controled demolition, we will be here... to fight for real another day... for now, we do what is asked of us... But these decsions are choices made as lessers of evils, made for us to survive...

ww3 will be fought in eurasia yet again and we will not be there to interfere this time when all is said and done.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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I think the fact that the plane did a loop and crashed into the part of the Pentagon that was currently under reconstruction tells a big story in and of itself.

I mean really now... the lack of people in the towers that day and a crash into the side of the pentagon that was all but empty...

very convenient lack of true loss of life... even the demolition of the towers

People see the intent, that it was us... but why so dramatically ensure LESS lives were actually lost? Why the empty portion of the building? Why bring the towers down cleanly? Allow for people to have more to go on and figure it all out? Why demolish the towers clean if... American lives weren't still a concern?

It all says to me... we were made to do this

Far more concerned about by whom or what



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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posted by Swampfox46_1999
Ah yes, you can always trust Ivan to quote Taliban propaganda. You did realize that right?


Osama bin Laden
In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,"
bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

NOT WANTED FOR 9-11

Apparently the FBI must agree that Osama (former CIA agent Tim Osman) was not involved in 9-11 because he is NOT WANTED for 9-11. If you look at the photo of Osama the FBI has chosen for his wanted page, you will discover he looks nothing like the actors in the fake Osama confession videos. Osama stated publicly several times that he had nothing to do with 9-11. Then he died in December 2001. Noticing that 9 alleged 'hijackers' were alive and well after 9-11, perhaps ALL the pretend 'hijackers' possessed stolen identities, and were not Arabs after all. I wonder who they really were?

What Middle East terrorist nation is it that hates all Arabs and often pretends to be Arabs in False Flag operations? Did anyone mention the Israelis where known terrorists Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir and Ariel Sharon and Daniel Lewin came from? Did anyone mention the coincidence of the Israelis from the Israeli moving company dancing and celebrating and videotaping across the river from the destroyed Twin Towers? Did anyone mention who stands the most to gain (cui bono?) from permanent war between America and the enemies of the Israelis?




[edit on 10/20/08 by SPreston]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Marcus Calpurnius


You guys keep whining about name calling in every post since the OP, yet the only ones doing it is you.

-Disinfo agents
-"they"
-liars


You guys are smearing and attacking anyone who might disagree before they ever do. I think its a testimate to the lack of "facts" involved here in the first place. You guys ignore the facts you don't like and exaggerate the ones you do. You all are no different than the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorists. You have such disdain for this country, that you cannot fathom us being the victim.


Actually, they are speaking from experience on ATS about the people the sign up new accounts and then run around 9/11 threads just being obnoxious until they get banned. You apparently have not been here long but for almost every brand of thread, there is a group of 'disinfo agents' people who gladdly waste everyone's time with drive by attacks and lies they are never coming back to answer for. It happens on both sides and with most topics here. Those people do deserve to be called names because all they ever contribute is confusion and bad manners.



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