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911 Conspiracy Facts - Incriminating

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posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 11:42 PM
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On the very morning of 9/11/01, five war games and terror drills were being conducted by several U.S. defense agencies, including one "live fly" exercise using REAL planes. Then-Acting Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Force General Richard B. Myers, admitted to 4 of the war games in congressional testimony -- see transcript here

Norad had run drills for several years of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings , and "numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft". In other words, drills using REAL AIRCRAFT simulating terrorist attacks crashing jets into buildings, including the twin towers, were run. www.mdw.army.mil..." target="_blank" class="postlink"> official military website showing 2000 military drill, using miniatures, involving a plane crashing into the Pentagon.

Moreover, there are indications that some of the major war games previously scheduled for October 2001 were MOVED UP to September 11th by persons unknown.

Interestingly, Vice President Cheney was apparently in charge of ALL of the war games and coordinated the government's "response" to the attacks. See this Department of State announcement; this CNN article; and this previously-cited essay.

And while the government has consistently stated that it did not know where the aircraft were before they struckthis short video clip of the Secretary of Transportation's testimony before the 9/11 Commission shows that Cheney monitored flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon. How could one of the most heavily-defended buildings in the world have been successfully attacked, when the Vice President of the United States, in charge of counter-terrorism on 9/11, watched it approach from many miles away?

Moreover, a former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings says that that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off, and that Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon tracked three of the four flights from the point of their hijacking to hitting their targets (also, listen tothis interview).

Additionally this diagram shows that the hijacked planes flew over numerous military bases on 9/11 before crashing. See also this essay regarding the stand down of the military; and see this war game proposal created before 9/11 revolving around Bin Laden and including "live-fly exercises" involving real planes, later confirmed by this official Department of Defense website.


Which scenario is more likely from a strictly logistical perspective:
(1) An outsider sitting in a cave defeating the air defense system of the sole military superpower; or
(2) Someone like Cheney -- who on 9/11 apparently had full control over all defense, war game and counter-terrorism powers -- rigging and gaming the system?
Remember that for the attacks to have succeeded, it was necessary that actions be taken in the middle of the war games and the actual attacks which would thwart the normal military response. For example, Cheney watched flight 77 approach the Pentagon from many miles out, but instructed the military to do nothing (as shown in the testimony of the Secretary of Transportation, linked above). Could Bin Laden have done that?
www.911proof.com...

Fighter jets were also sent far off-course over the Atlantic Ocean in the middle of the attacks (testimony of Senator Mark Dayton), so as to neutralize their ability to intercept the hijacked airliners.



And air traffic controllers claim they were still tracking what they thought were hijacked planes long after all 4 of the real planes had crashed. This implies that false radar blips remained on their screens after all 4 planes went down, long after the military claims they purged the phantom war-game-related radar signals. Could Bin Laden have interfered with the full purging of false radar blips inserted as part of the war games? In other words, could Bin Laden have overridden the purging process so that some false blips remained and confused air traffic controllers? The answer is clear.
www.911proof.com...

[edit on 19-10-2008 by IvanZana]




posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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You are well intentioned but waisting your time, my friend.
Those who believe need no convicing.
Those who don't, will NEVER be convinced. Period.
This has all been done, ad nauseum and it will always end the same way. Neither side will budge and nothing is learned nor gained.
I admire your attempt though. Star and flag!!



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by cbass
You are well intentioned but waisting your time, my friend.
Those who believe need no convicing.
Those who don't, will NEVER be convinced. Period.
This has all been done, ad nauseum and it will always end the same way. Neither side will budge and nothing is learned nor gained.
I admire your attempt though. Star and flag!!


Thank you for YOUR opinion but..... People are learning the truth every day and will continue to do so and articles like this help.

Thank you for reading and sharing the truth presented in the original post.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:05 AM
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Congratulations, Ivan.

Once again you have put together a beauty of well researched facts.

I'm with you 1000 %

I wish everyone would really read it, and get "it"



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:10 AM
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I can promise, the disinfo agents will be in this thread later, I am sure they are getting their emails now, to railroad this thread. So prepare your self! They cannot let the truth get out, they will tell you its all lies, nothing but lies, that you have lost it. They will hand wave your proof, they will tell you that you have moved the goal posts. They will ask you to prove something that is imposable; they will try to sidetrack you, also to keep you busy.

We already know that our Government was “not” caught off its guard on the morning of 911. The Government and FEMA knew the show was going to happened Heck! They been practicing these events for years this was nothing new for them. The only reason Rummy & Cheney were doing their war games that morning, was to deliberately confuse FAA, with all these blips showing up on their radar then disappearing then reappearing and so forth. The war games were distractions, while the real culprits were aloud to fly these planes in the towers. Who flew these planes will all ways be a mystery since to many high jackers are really alive, and Bin Laden is not wanted for 911. We do not even have any real proof that these airplanes were commercial airlines (only what the official say) again nothing but hear say! With all of this wreckage, the Government said they found why has the Government not shown any (time change out parts) from any of the aircraft which would prove conclusively they are from United, or American airlines, and they belong to those allege airplanes. We do not have any facts that really prove that these airplanes are what we are told they are WHY? It is very clear the Bush administration is hiding something WHY? Were those airplanes Military planes painted in United or AA colors, could it be? Maybe not, but it sure open the door for conspiracies theories and the Government is to blame for those conspiracies theories for not telling the American people the truth in the first place. The Government has hid the real evidence from us, which makes them look guilty. Our Government has lied to us about Bin Ladin they have lied us in to a war (all been proven), they have lied to us about the Anthrax letter and were the anthraxes came from (all been proven). It is so clear that the Bush administration is behind all of this,Why? You ask, is because the buck stop there, the Bush administration has stone wall every investigation in every thing above mention.

I do not buy into the official story, especially when a RAT! Is telling it.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:20 AM
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Good job.
Keep up the effort, more people need to use their god given critical thinking skills and absorb this information. One day, future generations will wonder how so many people fell for the "official story." I can only hope I am still alive to see it happen.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:48 AM
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HOW DARE YOU.......!!!! HOW DARE YOU...... speak the truth. You don't need to be a "rocket scientist" to know that this whole PSYOP was a false flag event. Common sense mixed with a bit of courage will lead you to the bitter conclusion that the USA was attacked by elements embedded in the highest levels of our government. Conflicts are contrived plots developed by governments that act in collusion to precipitate a desired change that benefits their goals and secures their bureaucracies. There is nothing new under the sun. Use this new data to configure a better model of your world. An enlightened perspective will lead you into all "truth".



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:43 AM
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yea this is the whole reason i created my thread about the recent war games, because you never know when something might happen...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 05:55 AM
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The evidence for a massive conspiracy on Sept 11 01 is compelling i commend the OP and every one else in the truth movement for continuing to look at the information with a critical eye but i feel further from the truth today than i did watching the events unfold all those years ago who are these masters of the black arts who obfuscate the truth from us who are they that will stop at nothing from achieving their goals.
Another question would be what really are their goals ,invasions ,wars dictatorships, money what what could make so many people who would of had to be involved act as they seem to have done and why even now arnt these people coming forward and telling the world about the ringmasters of madness that seem to be running things.
The Truth will we ever know and if we did could we even handle it while we wait trust no one seems better advice today than it was when i first heard it.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 06:48 AM
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As mentioned earlier... I'm just waiting for the 20-400 point 'random accounts' to all start piling in and starting personal attacks, ignoring the facts and detracting from the thread.

When they come.. ignore them back, don't play their game!

They are dis-info agents, plain and simple.


Again, IvanZana you have posted a compelling summary - of just a tidbit of all that stinks worse than blue cheese to high heaven, which took place on 9/11. To those who are not convinced: this is just part of the lead up to the attacks, let alone all the other rubbish that came when they were executed.

Massive buildings falling like pancakes.. you know the rest. Put two and two together it's painfully obvious yet so painful to register if you have not already. Governments are not friendly entities.. plain and simple, you've lived a lie. Get over it and work past it, without it slowing you down.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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Well said... Star for that..

Until theres a mainstream press release saying it was an inside job, most people wont believe it. That said, its also damn interesting learning new aspects of that shady shady day.


Peace

[edit on 20-10-2008 by TheRealDonPedros]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 07:55 AM
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All you are is a anti-government conspiracy nut and you should be put in jail for spouting such non-sense...shame on you!
...just kidding ofcourse.

I still don't understand why this stuff didn't hit the MSM, it's abdunantly clear that there was alot more involved than a cave dwelling saudi in one of the poorest countries of the world.

Good post OP, SF!!



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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As mentioned earlier... I'm just waiting for the 20-400 point 'random accounts' to all start piling in and starting personal attacks, ignoring the facts and detracting from the thread.

When they come.. ignore them back, don't play their game!

They are dis-info agents, plain and simple.


You guys keep whining about name calling in every post since the OP, yet the only ones doing it is you.

-Disinfo agents
-"they"
-liars


You guys are smearing and attacking anyone who might disagree before they ever do. I think its a testimate to the lack of "facts" involved here in the first place. You guys ignore the facts you don't like and exaggerate the ones you do. You all are no different than the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theorists. You have such disdain for this country, that you cannot fathom us being the victim.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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Whoa, stay here in the 9/11 forums for a lil over 6 weeks plz.... and you'll see how it works.

You may not be sickened by how certain posters always hit these threads with stawman arguments and personal attacks all the while ignoring the facts of the post yet, but trust me after 6 months or more, you will be, you will be.

Great post as usual Ivan, but don't bother us with facts, haha



jk of course, keep up the good work man.

[edit on 20-10-2008 by Nola213]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:01 AM
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posted by cbass
You are well intentioned but waisting your time, my friend.
Those who believe need no convicing.
Those who don't, will NEVER be convinced. Period.
This has all been done, ad nauseum and it will always end the same way. Neither side will budge and nothing is learned nor gained.
I admire your attempt though. Star and flag!!


posted by IvanZana
Thank you for YOUR opinion but..... People are learning the truth every day and will continue to do so and articles like this help.

Thank you for reading and sharing the truth presented in the original post.


posted by cashlink
I can promise, the disinfo agents will be in this thread later, I am sure they are getting their emails now, to railroad this thread. So prepare your self! They cannot let the truth get out, they will tell you its all lies, nothing but lies, that you have lost it. They will hand wave your proof, they will tell you that you have moved the goal posts. They will ask you to prove something that is imposable; they will try to sidetrack you, also to keep you busy.


posted by GhostRider
As mentioned earlier... I'm just waiting for the 20-400 point 'random accounts' to all start piling in and starting personal attacks, ignoring the facts and detracting from the thread.

When they come.. ignore them back, don't play their game!

They are dis-info agents, plain and simple.

Great OP. Most of us know who the disinfo agents are. No more playing by their rules for me. Let them play their silly games unopposed. Open-minded people can see right through them. The disinfo agents cannot become convinced by argument and evidence and logic, because they are not paid to become convinced. Confusion and derision and outright lying are their tools.

Some of those alleged 'hijacked' aircraft also flew unhindered right over nuclear power plants. If there really had been actual 'terrorists' operating those aircraft entirely on their own, why not hit those early targets, instead of risking being shot down or hindered by a multiple $Trillion dollar defense system? If it truly was not an Inside Job, then those 'hijackers' had no way of assuring they could slip through the defense system did they?

There were no 'hijackers' and there were no 'hijacked' aircraft. Those were all remotely flown drone aircraft used for an Inside Job attack on America. At the Pentagon a remotely flown aircraft was used for a flyover and no aircraft impacted at all. The officer in charge in the DIA, ONI, and Navy Wedge One targeted area conveniently was away, leaving a junior officer in charge. So the explosives were deliberately set up in advance in order to murder US Military and civilian employees.


posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
I still don't understand why this stuff didn't hit the MSM, it's abdunantly clear that there was alot more involved than a cave dwelling saudi in one of the poorest countries of the world.

The US Mainstream Press is no longer loyal to the American people. They are owned by billionaire murderous thugs who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. Disobedient journalists are eliminated as happened right after the JFK assassination. Accidents happen and people fall down stairs and drown in bath tubs and experience mysterious sudden traffic fatalities and heart attacks. An amazingly large percentage are journalists or loud-mouthed eyewitnesses. They can lose their jobs and modern day MSM journalists have chosen safety over honor.

This preplanned 9-11 event was the New Pearl Harbor Event the NeoCONs had long planned for. The rescheduled war games were meant to add to the confusion of the military psyops warfare directed against the American public.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by IvanZana

Originally posted by cbass
You are well intentioned but waisting your time, my friend.
Those who believe need no convicing.
Those who don't, will NEVER be convinced. Period.
This has all been done, ad nauseum and it will always end the same way. Neither side will budge and nothing is learned nor gained.
I admire your attempt though. Star and flag!!


Thank you for YOUR opinion but..... People are learning the truth every day and will continue to do so and articles like this help.

Thank you for reading and sharing the truth presented in the original post.



It doesn't matter what the truth is , those who conspired to bring about this disgusting and barbaric day WILL NEVER be found and if they are WILL NEVER EVER be brought to trial over it. They'll have bought their freedom with cash and favours , and/ or corrupting the US constitution to benefit themselves in case they are found out, Your rights are being violated by those who profess to be looking out for the American people and 'Protecting' them from terrorists. THe American people and the World need to look for the American 9/11 Terrorists, The real ones in Government.
I for one believe it was an inside job as some sort of 'fundraiser' or as a prelude to war to showcase all the latest weapons for sale by the US Government.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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Dont mean to be rude, but, isn't this topic a bit of a dead horse by now? There's plenty of evidence , yet, officially no progress. Its all but swept away just as the Kennedy event was. Go figure.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:15 AM
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One thing is for sure, I have yet to hear serious debate on, what were the chances that the hi jackers would have made this happen, in conjunction with the war games and simulations, has there been serious inquiry into how they would have received or even planned their actions based on the drills as this would have provided the best window of opportunity to execute their plans successfully and would have to be a centerpiece of the plotting.

Who gave them information on the drills? someone in law enforcement, or the military? what are the chances of large scale drills that took place coinciding with a reality?

I lived in Arlington for 11 years and not too far from the Pentagon when it happened, the size and scope, pre preparation of those drills was pretty large scale, I am not saying it was not possible but how do we reconcile or provide explanation to drills occuring that when the attacks happened drills turned to reality, this should have been a much bigger story but it was somewhat downplayed, drills at the Pentagon, drills at WTC, drills at NORAD and the air force standing down around DC.




[edit on 20-10-2008 by phinubian]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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posted by cashlink
We already know that our Government was “not” caught off its guard on the morning of 911. The Government and FEMA knew the show was going to happened Heck! They been practicing these events for years this was nothing new for them. The only reason Rummy & Cheney were doing their war games that morning, was to deliberately confuse FAA, with all these blips showing up on their radar then disappearing then reappearing and so forth. The war games were distractions, while the real culprits were aloud to fly these planes in the towers. Who flew these planes will all ways be a mystery since to many high jackers are really alive, and Bin Laden is not wanted for 911.

The wargames were deliberately scheduled (and one wargame re-scheduled) for 9-11-2001 to enhance the military psyops effect on the American people. Those were all LIES excreting out of the mouths of Condi and Tricky Dick and Rummy and Powell and Dubya about never forseeing aircraft used as weapons against skyscrapers. NORAD was practicing aircraft attacking buildings that very day and had done similar wargames previously. The Media prostitutes were prepared with their scripts and actors in place right during the morning of 9-11, for their part in the military psyops campaign against America.


Google Video Link




Two major 9/11 anomalies have been thoroughly documented, specifically: 1) The stand down of US air defense on the morning of 9/11 that permitted commercial jet aircraft to fly erratically and in restricted air space without challenge 2) Overwhelming physical evidence that World Trade Center buildings #1, #2, and #7 were brought down by controlled demolition

A third significant anomaly has not been discussed, let alone acknowledged: the reporting by the major US TV news networks in the first few hours immediately after the attacks. Specifically:

1. MSNBC presented an elaborately detailed story about the lifestyle and anti-US philosophy of Osama bin Laden - while both towers were still burning and long before Bin Laden had been accused by anyone.

2. Fox News featured a "man in the street" eye witness who explained in strangely formal language the science behind why the towers collapsed when most engineers and firemen were utterly baffled and in shock by what had just taken place.

3. CBS featured a Bush administration insider (and not identified as such) as a guest who actively worked to dissuade Dan Rather (and viewers) from speculating that there must have been explosive charges placed in the buildings for them to have collapsed the way they did.

How was it that these stories - based on no fact, no research and no inquirry - appeared in full blown form so quickly on US news networks and then became part of the core myths of what happened on 9/11? Were these stories prepared in advance? There's an old intelligence saying that "once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, but three times is enemy action." Because most of these clips ran only once and were not repeated after they'd done their job, it made it difficult, if not impossible, for viewers to analyze them critically. Now, thanks to the magic of video tape and a few people who immediately started taping the news after the attacks, we have this important evidence that at the very least these attacks appear to have been anticipated and prepared for by forces that have the ability to exert strong influence over the output of the newsrooms of major US news networks.


Jerome Hauer - Unindicted 9-11 and Anthrax Conspirator


Google Video Link



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:12 AM
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great post... im from new york, so 9/11 hit really close to home...even so, i never believed it could not have been stopped and i didnt allow myself to get caught up in the post-patriotism that ensued. as i was watching it happen on tv i thought to myself - this cant be real. then, as the post production developed into war in afganistan on an enemy who essentially doesnt exist, then to iraq, under false pretenses, which seemed to be a great bonus for our government, I began to get an idea of what was really happening.

Its disheartening to believe that our government couldve known this was going to happen or done something to prevent it, and to think they couldve possibly had a hand in its orchestration is bone chilling. The documents you've posted are really eye opening as to what really may have happened on 9/11 and who was probably behind it.



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