Human Testing On Criminals?

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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reply to post by whiteraven
 


Not to doubt your source, whiteraven, but someone making a claim like that needs to provide a link or copy of the supposed law/policy allowing such a thing to occur. To simply say that no one knows about it but they do and is public domain so look for yourself reaks of disinfo/hoax.




posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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Murder and rape are forgiveable offences from GOD ....
Why cant man forgive them ? If God does ?
Mankind (especially on this board) claim to have the moral higher ground more than God ..so whats the deal with this ?

Animals do not get judged .and do not get sentenced to heaven or hell .(they will not be held accountable to God) ..and yet your showing them mercy .would you experiment on your animal just because he shows signs of aggression ? Or does not mind you etc etc ?..here we have HUMAN beings who some believe are not entitled to any mercy or forgiveness at all ....
Remember that according to how you JUDGE is how you will be judged ...

This is just unbelievable to me ..



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Eh, well, many on this board do not share your beliefs on the subject. If this is so unbelievable to you, I question what exactly you have spent your time on ATS doing as it is all around you. This is not a christian propoganda board but a conspiracy website where any reference to the christian beliefs is met with inerrant skepticism/hostility.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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Of course criminal activity is related to the level of social injustice and unequality in countries, with fascist states that spend its tax dollars on corporate welfare, militia and prisons, consequently having the highest numbers of prisoners, who just so happen to be our beloved children, some driven insane by their lives.
Norway has the highest standard of living in the world year after year according to the UN, and sees its taxes boomerang back into their communities creating win/win situations. They have an incredible education system, health system, and their murder rate is almost non-existent. They are doing something right. This short video reflects the reality of how proportional democracy and social justice equals civilized reform conditions and an ideal way of dealing with criminals:



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Yea the source for the whistleblower is sketchy. Thats why i suggest chewing on it.

Keep it in mind when reading or researching.

Or ask a Doctor who works at a VA if you get a chance....if you can find one who will sit down for a beer and some honest talk.

In a purely rational sense, with the world population problem in mind, does the idea of wide public exposure to a pathogen fall far from the tree?

Also keep im mind that some people have already bugged out.....as I guess everyone may know that...but just the idea of having a delivery system at the ready would justify the idea of expierementing with a delivery system....if you get my drift.

I am not dogmatic on this stuff, although in my opinion, we barely see the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to our (US)capabilities and so I believe that we have and are placing certain chemicals in our water and food to help quell any urges that may fly in the face of the direction that the powers that be want to take us.

I do lay open the idea that I am all wrong on the above as well.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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I say they should allow a inmate on death row to decide if he wants to participate in a testing.

Like to help cure cancer aid's ect...
or what ever it be..

That would be ok i think.

they going to die anyways..if they want to help..what would it hurt



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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I do not think anyone here is arguing against voluntary testing. It should be available for anyone to volunteer if they so choose. A sense of altruism or whatever they could market it as. It is actually against international law as part of the nuremberg trials I believe, making it illegal to experiment on unknowing subjects.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:05 PM
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I'll agree with you, op!
Tax payers are paying their hard earned dollars to keep criminals alive, fed and housed in prison- So a convicted rapist, pedofile, murderer or highly violent offender should give us some use!

When the person in question is clearly guilty, and facing life imprisonment- Why shouldn't we get some use out of them?
After all- We're all paying to keep them alive.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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So are you saying you would agree that Criminals have no rights as human beings and that whatever crime they commited is worth them having all rights removed totally and used as human experiments for those who deem themselves better than a criminal ?

Funny but as many laws are on the books right now ..ALL OF US ARE COMMITTING CRIMES (most of us just dont get caught doing our crimes) ..are we all worthy of having our rights stripped and deserve to be tested on ?


your thinking is ILLOGICAL and here yall keep telling me to be logical .Which is exactly what I am doing with this subject ..

Lets forget that I am a Christian and lets just say I believe in the Golden rule which is what MOST OF YOU CLAIM To believe too .
Would you like this sort of human experimentation done unto you ? I think not ..



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Maybe if someone was a convicted serial murderer, pedophiles or rapist i would actually agree.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Haha, take a second to read what I have posted before you insert foot to mouth. I AM a criminal as I am a convicted felon. I have thoroughly stated I am against unknowing/unvoluntary testing on ANYBODY. Just because I do not agree with your assertions of heaven and hell and the treatment of animals my thinking is therefore illogical? I responded kindly to your post, in no way attacking you, I would appreciate the same courtesy and respect to come from you. Thank you.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by StretchUSAF
I feel we could make the world a MUCH better place if we tested on the scum of the Earth.


Who decides who the "scum of the Earth" is? You?

The court issues a punishment for the crime. You want to add on your own punishment in addition? If they want to volunteer for a reduced sentence or extra privileges, fine by me. Force it on them as extra punishment, that just makes us as bad as the criminal. As a people we are better than that. At least I hope we are or will be.

[edit on 10/20/2008 by Blaine91555]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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{Eh, well, many on this board do not share your beliefs on the subject. If this is so unbelievable to you, I question what exactly you have spent your time on ATS doing as it is all around you. This is not a christian propoganda board but a conspiracy website where any reference to the christian beliefs is met with inerrant skepticism/hostility.}

Yes well then forgive me ..I must have misunderstood what you said in the above post then .And how you automatically are opposed to my opinion just because it is Christian in origin ....
And that because I am a Christian and I post from a Christian perspective then I am spreading my Christian propaganda on this board when I am just posting my opinion ..

Sorry if I took that all wrong ....
Didnt sound mean or accusatory I guess ..sorry again if I misunderstood what you were saying to me ...or did I ...okey dokey then ...



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by StretchUSAF
I feel we could make the world a MUCH better place if we tested on the scum of the Earth.


Who decides who the "scum of the Earth" is? You?

The court issues a punishment for the crime. You want to add on your own punishment in addition? If they want to volunteer for a reduced sentence or extra privileges, fine by me. Force it on them as extra punishment, that just makes us as bad as the criminal. As a people we are better than that. At least I hope we are or will be.

[edit on 10/20/2008 by Blaine91555]


Exactly STAR FOR YA >>....talk about going over someones free will ..isnt that what they would be doing if it was FORCED on them ?



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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The most amazing thing concerning this thread is the savoir-faire attitude toward prison that exists in society.

The facts speak for themselves and the powers that be use the prevailing uninformed attitude to launch the ever increasing anger which underlies society at the moment.

It was refreshing to see McCain and Obama joking around with each other and laughing at each other on CNN. ( shows that they are not as evil as people make them out to be...both I believe love America)

I believe that many who run for goverment have altruistic motives at first but after facing the immense problems coming upon North America they decide to just try and fix what they can as they see very little hope of changing things.....including the idea of chemical laced foods.

Anyhow, the processed food we eat all has chemicals and many are very suspect. I just ate a bowl of cereal and when I look at the contents on the box, and i know where the grain was processed and I have walked through food processing plants I am amazed that more persons do not realize that we are simply eating "foods laced with chemicals".

That is the reality.

So all of us are really part of a really big drug expeiriment in one sense.

We have a fairly narrow range of chemicals that we are allowed to ingest and the powers that be weed some out and add others as we go along with nobody really understanding a lot of the long term damage or even the long term good of the chemicals.


With that type of knowledge being frontloaded on many who control such matters it is simply a matter of slight evolution or interpretation of certain laws that allows termers or lifers to become viewed as skin, or meat, or as an animal.

Desenseitization of the public mind is one of the first steps taken to bring a new idea to the forefront.

Then the slow evolution of the law needs to be prodded next as it chops away at liberty with the concurance of those whose attitudes have shifted slightly.

Next some form of agitation is needed to form the scapegoats.

Next a white knight is sent in to save the day for those who have been lulled to accept the "new reality" and the scapegoats are all rounded up and we now have people we can use for drug trials as they are useless to society...a burden..a wieght to all of us who pay the taxes and never break the ever tightening noose of the law.

King Solomon was wise to warn that " going to the law is akin to taking a sleeping dog by the ears..." Read book of Proverbs.

The damage is then done and the deeds needed to be completed by whoever is in control is more or less complete...but wait....

they discover that they now have set up a self feeding system of destruction that brings something we will soon hear about.

Karma is a b word.




edited in order to be better understood



[edit on 20-10-2008 by whiteraven]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:54 PM
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The bottom line is that most if not all of the so called testing is completely unnatural and unnecessary. There are plenty of cures and treatments out there for serious issues. So #1 - there is no real need being addressed.

#2 - And the bigger problem is that this becomes an industry. Prisoners certainly should not be experimented on against their will and then the issue becomes what do you have to do to them or offer to them to get them to cooperate? Deny them what you would otherwise have provided them as a basic human right? Looking at people as a profit resource by any rational is a bad thing.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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A lot of you are arguing for the prisoners human rights.
What about the rapists?
They scar people for the rest of their lives- People become unable to trust others after such an event. Some peoples lives are broken over such things.

The pedofiles, who destroy children in their innocence.

The violent offenders- Who don't kill, but mug the elderly, or the defenseless; and leave them badly beaten, in need of a great deal of medical care.

The drunk drivers who repeatedly offend- Who throw their lives away, and take the life of someone innocent.

Not every criminal should be tested on- This is true.
But the people in the system, who have commited undeniable horrors onto others- These are the people whose rights you're jumping to defend.

So not all should be tested on- But some.

Why does someone who robs an innocent life of their rights- For enjoyment, for pleasure, or for any other reason deserve to keep his or hers?
Especially when they're a repeat offender?

Why should we pay with our taxes to keep these people alive- When they can leave nothing but sorrow in their wake?

Who am I to decide?
I am the innocent, tax paying, law-abiding citizen.
Who am I to decide?
I could be a family member of the victim- I could be the victim.
Who am I to decide?
I am everything they are not.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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Good evening all...OP here...

I just got back from work...and definately did not expect this subject to be blown up as much as it has...WOW

I went thru and read just about as much as I could...

To clarify for some that seemed to not read the entire discussion:
1) This testing would only be performed on life sentenced criminals...
2) The testing is not necessarily voluntary...but if one wants to volunteer..then they can have the pride of knowing they could have helped mankind.
3) I know that I AM NOT GOD
4) I am simply throwing some thinking material out there...and seeing how the rest of the ATS community (The best community) thinks.
5) And YES..murderer's..rapists and pedophiles ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!
6) I have asked numerous times to keep this as a nice and down to Earth discussion...please stop the put downs...the community is just trying to voice opinions...JUST CHILL

I wish that I could reply to each and every poster...but I do not have the time.

And to the person that suggested I be a prison guard...I was...when I served in Kuwait during OIF, OEF, and Operation ****** ********!

Please keep it alive....but keep it civil!

Thanks All



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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What if the person who is determining who is the SCUM OF THE EARTH or not is also a scum of the earth themselves ?
Isnt that what so many accuse the preachers and Christians of doing ?
Pot calling the kettle black ?

GW says he will rid the world of evil ..and yet he is as evil as they come just by him thinking that everyone who may be considered evil in his eyes NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED ..


If an Athiests thinks Christians are the SCUM OF THE EARTH they will have them first in line to be eradicated wouldnt they >>?
Etc etc etc ..




[edit on 20-10-2008 by Simplynoone]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 04:57 PM
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I have been saying that same thing for years! Why should tax payer dollars be spent taking care of murders/child rapists etc when we have a great ready made supply of people for testing. It is brilliant and economical, as soon as we are done with them we can dispose of them.

I concur animals should NOT be experimented on, not when we have the scum of the earth in human form at our disposal.

Great post... I would like to see this come to pass.





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