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Topic started on 19-10-2008 @ 04:16 PM by reticledc
Lets face it, no one is happy with the direction our illustrious leaders have forced upon us and this country.
With tax increases and totalitarianism heading our way, we may all feel helpless.
Socialist economics are now a way of life, like it or not.
Well that being said, I have and idea.
It's an idea where no one has to pick up a weapon.
No one has to march on some house or another.
No one has to call up congress and complain.
It's very little work to do what I am suggesting.
In fact that is the entire idea. WORK!!
If everyone in the entire united states walked off the job for a week, that would raise some eyebrows.
In addition, make no purchases for a week.
USA on strike and boycott of taxes.

The tax revenue lost would be tremendous.
Granted there will be blow back from this idea, including retaliation in the form of tax increases to make up for lost revenue.
If this happens we will see the true nature of out gov.
Not as if we didn't know already.

If somehow the entire country got behind this idea, it would send a clear message to those in control that we are not just going to sit around and take this what they are cramming down our collective throats..
Actually, yes we will. Relaxing at home.
A self imposed vacation.
Now of course, I understand that people need to make money to support themselves, and missing a week of work could hurt them.
Well this is a sacrifice we would all make if say, "our children needed us." Well in the figurative and literal sense they do.
I urge everyone to start saving so you can be self sufficient for 1 week without pay.
Businesses will get by.
We will all survive.

We need to do something and this is the best idea I can come up with that everyone can participate in and make our quiet whispers turn into loud roars.

Anyone have any ideas?
Fire away..


reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 04:50 PM by toepick
Two thousand years ago, a Roman Senator suggested that
all slaves wear white armbands to better identify them.

"No," said a wiser Senator,
"If they see how many of them there are, they may revolt."

I had thought to myself that wearing a white arm/wrist band with the word 'SLAVE' on it or something similar would be a great idea. It turns out I am not the only one as there seems to be a movement stirring with this idea. A search on this revealed at least a few site promoting this idea, and it is easy to order custom made wristbands.

I think any kind of white arm or wristband would suffice, I would just write 'slave' on it. People would ask and then you could explain what you are protesting. It would be interesting to see how many other people we could run into that started doing this.

Writing 'slave' or something similar would be important to, because the white armband/wristband has also been used by anti-war, anti-torture people. While I think those are important causes, and the white armband could be an all inclusive protest against the current policies and actions of our government, I think the anti-slave band should be more specific to our enslavement by a Fractional Reserve/World banking system.

Edit: the problem with not working, is that although it might send a message, there are some people that can't afford not to work. And as a Paramedic, and I am sure most Fire Fighters and Police would agree with me; we work because we feel an obligation to help those in need as well as put food on our table. The same could be said for nurses, doctors ect..

Besides if as a full time employee, you call in sick you are still paid in sick time or vacation or PTO (however it is set up). So not only do you loose that time, you still are paid for it and that is taxed, so they still get their money. If you are not full time, how can you expect people that more then likely live from pay check to pay check (as even a lot of full time people do, like myself) to give up money that is needed to feed, take care of a family, pay bills or generally just to get by.

I just don't think a work strike is a good idea, it hurts us more then it hurts anyone else. A fuel boycott, or a spending boycott of some kind would be a much better idea.

In my most humble, honest opinion.

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reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 05:21 PM by selfisolated
I said a similar thing in this thread.

Not just sacking off work for a week, but sacking off work altogether and going completely off the radar and self sufficient.
Everybody does it, oh dear, no tax revenue.
Drug companies go bust.
Oil companies go bust
Government goes bust.

The only people left would be those who traded in commodities, or created something else of value to be traded.



reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 08:37 PM by reticledc
All valid points, every one.
And forgive me for not stating before, this idea is merely a suggestion.

I understand that no one can just up and leave without having some kind of cushion to fall back on.
That's why the suggestion of preparing in advance was made.
The suggestion also that it should not be a "paid" vacation but more of a strike, against what ails us, should have been more descriptive.
My apologies.
I also understand about the firefighters, e.m.t.s and medical personnel needing to work to save lives and help people.
They obviously should be exceptions.
I also would like to point out as well, that there is a fine line between what might be misconstrued as socialism.
We do not have a choice in what the gov. does anymore.
We the people are supposed to be the voice and conscience of the gov.
We should never forget that.
When the government does socialist things, the government is socialist.
How can the people under the thumbs of them be socialist?
We are the victims of socialism.

One week, just one. If our family was in trouble, would we not miss a week of work for them, despite the fact we were not getting paid. I reiterate, preparation.

we need to do something and it's obvious no one wants to be the first to get shot if we decided to march on Washington and the like.

I like the ideas of the wristbands, but I do think white is the wrong choice of colors.
Being that this whole thing is revolving around money and the restriction of resources, as well as more environmentally safe, and sustainable resources to be used for our energy needs, Green may be a better color. Wouldn't you say?

What I am trying to ask is, HOW do we get the gov. to listen?
Electoral college, the peoples vote no longer matters. 2000
Congress and Senate pass bailout, despite enormous public outcry.
Criminals are apparent, when the pad their pockets with $$ and getaways and nothing is done.
The orchestrators of the financial crisis are the ones planning their way out of it, at our expense.
Where does any of it end.
The only way they will listen is if we affect their revenue. this is the power the people have over our gov. but we really as a whole do not realize it.


Thank you for reading and please continue.




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reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 08:46 PM by reticledc
reply to post by PuRe EnErGy



My apologies. Where ever it's necessary of course.
USA is near and dear to my heart so naturally I am slightly in favor of it and think of her first.
No offense.

Global financial revolt. HMMM?!?

A saying i recently heard some where, I think it was Zeitgeist,
"The minute you punch that clock, you are walking into a dictatorship."
True beyond measure.
Show me the resources baby!!!

Show us some more ideas.




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reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 09:24 PM by reticledc
reply to post by Grumble


-27%+ income tax
-7%+ sales tax
-gas tax
-utilities taxes -power, cable, phone, oil, gas, sewer, water, and the new environmental tax
-excise taxes
-property taxes
-inheritance tax
-tolls
-Inflation which is a tax on resources believe it or not.
-fees for banks and services and atms
-bills -utilities
-disposal taxes bet you didn't know of that one

non tax or reduced but still necessary
-food
-gas
-clothing
-rent but then again if you receive rent it's income.

Now to add to your comments.
"The most hopeless of slaves are those that believe they are free."
While we may not be discriminated against as a whole group per say, color and race and religion and sexual orientation and marital status no longer mean anything in the eyes of the gov.
It's in the governments best interest not to discriminate, more revenue for them.
Every one is treated equally at long last.
Except of course the elite.
As far as living off the grid. "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND UNTO THEMSELVES."
All people are not all capable of self reliance.
Not everyone can self sustain.
What about the sick and elderly.
Are these people lazy?
This is the whole reason a society was made to begin with.
To help these that needed it and to work towards a common goal for the good and benefit of all in that society.

As far as doing what I love? I do so everyday.
Not everyone can do this.
A little thing called competition gets in the way.
Also a little thing called life as well.
I guess because you may have found a job doing what you love, that means everyone else must do the same because you say so.
I guess they should wait it out till the find what they want.
I guess bills will wait until they do that.
I guess people will help them all over their communities to find that perfect job "PLAYING" around.

LAZY?

I would also reiterate the idea of this post is completely viable.
It can happen.
IMHO it should happen.




reply to post by selfisolated



Interesting to say the least. I do suggest a trial run before that though.


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reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 10:48 PM by reticledc
reply to post by The_Brave



I believe the first thing that would happen is a spin job would be made to cast a negative light on something like this.
We need someone like RON PAUL to get something like this going.
It's time the people took back the world that has been slowly nickled and dimmed away from us.
Attrition has been used against us and now it time to flip the script.
"Freedom id the right of all sentient beings" OPTIMUS PRIME (fictional) but powerful none the less.


reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:13 PM by reticledc
reply to post by stander



If you are referring to the elections. The electoral college decides, not the people. Not anymore. WIKI the 2000 election. WIKI the electoral college.
Then tell me if you feel we have a say anymore.

Real simple.
Save some $$
Stock up.
Take off for a week.
Don't spend money on anything for a week.
1 week.
That's it.
Any repercussions by big G. will make it blatantly obvious that we nothing more than batteries powering the monetary system in a socialist dictatorship.


reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:17 PM by ProfEmeritus
Actually, quite a few of the suggestions have merit. When they passed the treasonous Bailout Bill, I immediately thought about a day where no one worked, bought anything, and stayed home. I quickly thought about what another poster above mentioned, namely what about public safety personnel, and realized it would not be a great idea.

However, I do agree that hitting them in the pocketbook would get their undivided attention. I also like the idea of doing this in union with Canadians, because although there are, and should be, a separate country, I have always felt that they are our brothers and sisters, despite periodic government differences. We have so much in common with our friends to the north.

What would people think about picking a day of the week, say Wednesday, when we buy nothing, every Wednesday, from large companies and corporations. In addition, send emails and make phone calls to our representatives of our respective governments, (House of Commons, House of Representatives, Senate) telling them that we will continue to boycott those businesses until they listen to the majority? I would suggest that the companies and large corporations would soon put pressure on our representatives. In addition, our elected representatives would soon get the message that we are fed up, and won't put up with it anymore. It would, of course, require us to follow through, by voting out the incumbents that do not abide by the will of the people. Therein lies the problem. In both countries. "opposing" parties play off against each other, and actually convey the appearance of different choices, when in fact, it is a deception, to keep us from realizing that they are in the same club. We need to understand that.

Now, some people have to eat out at work. Well, either bring your own lunch/breakfast/dinner, or patronize a local shop, owned by local fellow citizens. Boycott McDonalds, Burger King, and other chains on Wednesdays. Stay out of stores run by corporations, but if you need something, go to the local business or store owner. If you need an emergency prescription, or over the counter medicine, visit the local pharmacist. Avoid stores like Walmart, Target, Kmart, etc. This not only accomplishes the goal of getting the point across to our governments, it supports local economy, and helps in a small way to combat outsourcing.

I would like suggestions or comments on such an idea.


reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:19 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by beammeup





I think a more practical way is to bring down the computers that run it all!

I don't think that stooping to the level of the crooks in government by breaking the law is the way to get their attention. I prefer staying above the criminal dealings that our officials have stooped to. Just my thoughts.
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