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Passport needed to buy mobile (cell) phone

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posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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When I bought my cell last year I needed nothing but cash.
I went to buy one for my son and they require a credit check now.
I was always told NEVER to give my social insurance number to anyone but the bank.
The very Idea of having to show a passport is ridiculous.




posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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Not much different than it already is really, just the info will be databased for "future" use.

Currently to buy a cell phone with any kind of "package" that is to say on a monthly plan, you need to provide valid provincial or federal ID (Canada). To get cell service the same is also required...so basically you're already in the system.

I'm sure soon enough they'll eradicate the SIMM card to prevent underground sales of cellulars that have been unlocked.

Sat phones similarly will have the same kind of tech to block unregistered connections.

There'll be alot of stolen identities in the cellular markets.

Like registering a gun...there'll be a whole black market if the demand people register their cells.

They'll no doubt just impliment it and give you no choice...if you want a cell and service you will have to buy a pre-registered phone. Problem solved.


Personally i detest cells...come to think of it I detest my land line too.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by uncover_the_truth

Originally posted by ho chi minh
Why are we slaves to these devices??? I'm old enough to remember a time without this technology and guess what? we survived.This is however a worrying development,what happened to this country....the british are becoming more stupid and dumbed down by the day.



I think its just a coincident that i too post about passport but its about how to Disable your passport's RFID chip !! check it out at www.abovetopsecret.com...


Why was this thread deleted? I didnt see what it contained, but even finding it in the search engine, it was deleted and had been posted to 6hrs prior. Was it moved or something? Im interested in this disabling of RFID. Im sure ATS wouldnt try to sensor something like that right? hehe



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 07:54 PM
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Wow people, do you see what's happening here? The state wants to track your every move, what you do, who you visit, how you get there etc.

Where's the outcry? You Brits have let this go on for long enough no? We all need to open our eyes, this is scary.

Starred and flagged.



Peace,
FK



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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This is not so much about tracking your physical whereabouts as it is about transitioning how society conducts a financial transaction. One day, cash will be obsolete, and portable devices with rfid, linked to the internet, will be how we conduct transactions. But this must happen in stages:

Step 1: Add banking/merchant transaction capability to mobile devices.
Step 2: Require positive identity at point of distribution.
Step 3: Use mobile devices as identity instruments (in addition to their use as transaction terminals)
Step 4: Remove cash from the system.

It is easiest to START this process by way of cell phones, since so many people already have them, and so many of those that have them LOVE additional tech on their phones. We're only in step 1 now.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 09:59 PM
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I wonder if the amount of foreigners in the UK has made the need for this?



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 10:36 PM
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It's like this over here in Australia now.

I work at a store that sells phones in both Prepay and in Contracts.

For a Contract you need 100pts of ID (usually Drivers License or Proof of Age card, Credit or Debit Card, and a Medicare Card) and be submitted to a Credit Check. There other criteria also, but these are the main ones.

For buying phones outright (mostly for Prepay) We now need to sight at least one form of the listed ID (Divers license, Passport, etc) and fill out the form with the customers details + IMEI number of the handset. or face a $3000 fine per offense.

I have been abused by customers who for some reason don't understand that I am just doing my job (which I will lose if I don't ask for the required ID).

I really don't think sighting ID and recording the basic details for a phone purchase accomplishes anything other than extra paperwork and aggravated customers.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 10:39 PM
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I know this thread was started about Britain, but how can you post stuff like "you Brits" "how can you let this happen". do you people not realise that anything that is networked can already be monitored and is being. phones, internet connections, traffic/security/private cctv cameras. thats not just here its everywhere including the states, if you think your every move is not being monitored your kidding yourself and probably not paranoid enough. the only thing that changes if you give your details when buying is its quicker for them to find you.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 10:42 PM
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I'm currently "An Employee with one of the largest mobile networks in the US"

Everyday I must have certain paperwork with every sale, in order to get paid on it.


Ask away, The United States, Mobile Phone Carriers, are really no different. Their pretty the same, as far as their policies on identification requirements.

Asking for last four of social security number.
Identification.
Credit Checks

etc.......etc........Iit's Just as Bad



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 11:41 PM
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Maybe so, but not for pay as you go cell phones:

Unlike standard cell phone plans, you do not need to undergo a credit card check, give your full name and address or show your ID. You also do not need to be over the age of 18. Buying and activating a pay as you go cell phone is totally anonymous.


www.tech-faq.com...

There is a down side from the government point of view, to forcing ID for purchase. Sometimes people will report a crime anonymously, which they can now do with a pay-as-you-go cell phone. If they now that they can be identified, they may not report that crime, for fear of retaliation from the criminal, if there name is revealed. In fact, if the case goes to court, the DA may summon you to testify that you saw the crime committed.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:23 AM
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or they just don't want to get ripped off by border jumping illegal aliens that are constently bailing out off country after racking up credit card and cell phones bills. i have a friend who rented out his apartment to a few brazilian guys who gave false info and then bailed out of their 2 year lease, and because he is the owner of the property his was found in a court of law to be liable for all the bills that these guys had racked up over the 6 months they lived at his place, do you think he has any way to track them to get the money they owned on the lease? let alone all the utilities there border jumpers racked up!?!



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:33 AM
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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:42 AM
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Man how ridiculous can things get.

Like buying a gun??? How about the phone company that supplies the service, like they dont know who YOU are?????

Why these unecessary steps???? Just more BS? Soon we will need an ID if we want to go for a walk.

Totaly paranoid and schitzophrenic.
Delusional. Crazy.
Have i missed anything???



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:33 AM
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hey, myself, I'm just surprised they didn't trot out "Its for the KIDS!" or the other usual rhetoric. I can see it every day, how the prime motivator is fear. those up on high find fear is the easiest way to influence us.. not just fear of criminals, but fear of shame, etc. look at deodorant ads when they first started. it was like "You don't want people to think you have BO, do you?" Oh lordy me, oh man, god forbid that anyone around me be offended by my having a scent, of course, on the other hand, its apparently socially acceptable to all but marinade yourself in whatever perfume/cologne, etc that could gag people at 10 paces... but hey, its not *thunder rolls, lightning strikes, voice gets odd reverb* Body Odor.

don't even get me started on the whole GERMS and antibacterial scam/fiasco. You know them.. those things that seem to cause everything from pink eye, o cancer to temporary stupidity. on, and incidently.. Body Odor *dun dun daaaaaa!*



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:14 AM
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what about if you buy a mobile/cell phone off e-bay...no checks would be made there....so can't see this working somehow,not here in UK unless of course they stop people selling mobile phones through e-bay....and to be honest theres always the "mate" down the pub who wants to sell his,cos he's brought another phone



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:40 AM
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I can see a "phone trading service" coming online in the next few months.

People will swap phones with a person on the other end of the country after coming to a mutual agreement on a website that hosts the exchange.


In Ireland, We used to use to have extremely long telephone cords so that neighbor three doors down would have their phone connection based in my house.

Likewise my phone was attached to a neighbor's house across the street.

The stopped the Brits from ever being able to know for sure who it was they were listening to. The information would take too long and require much effort to obtain. They had no right to listen.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 02:53 AM
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What the hell is going on in the UK? The situation seems to be the worst of all Western countries...



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:03 AM
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Simple. If you are a terrorist a need a phone, just buy off ebay or second hand!!



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 05:46 AM
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There is one simple and fundamental flaw with this idea which blows out of the water the government's claim that it's for anti-terrorist reasons. Britain still has public pay phones. If a terrorist can't use a mobile because he's avoiding appearing on some government register, he'll walk to the phone box on the corner of the street, or in the pub, or in the car park, or in the nightclub. Until public pay phones are completely abolished, there is NO righteous justification for this latest scheme, as it's completely useless.

One other point betraying the government's lie behind their public reasoning. It was recently announced that child pornography is commonly turning up on computers seized belonging to those involved with Islamic terrorism. It seems the terrorists are contacting each other through online child porn sites, and sending messages encoded into the images they transfer. I suppose their logic being that by default such sites will be heavily hidden from prying police and government eyes to begin with.

As this encrypyted and hidden computerised method of terrorist contact is now agreed by Police to be commonplace and on the increase, why suddenly take 20 steps backwards and start focusing attention on mobile phone use? It's completely illogical.

This is not about terrorism. This is an issue - again- about the Labour government (how I chuckle these days when I consider they used to be the party of the people) obsessively seeking possession of personal information from the citizens of this country.

Couple this with Geoff Hoon's recent comments about being prepared to erode civil liberties to "quite an extent" to "protect" our civil liberties - which one could argue, is exactly how one ends with regimes such as North Korea and China.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 06:22 AM
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it is pointless trying to control people in this manner if i intended to say... kill some one traking me wouldent stop me only confirm that i was there. doesn't help my victim much, it may help the police catch and convict me but dosent stop me. Think if your at a console monitoring the population in your area and you se them people mass out side your building pissed off wanting blood you cant do #... your dead. In short there are more people then there are the "man's" men . I guess my point is the world's to small to hide, you can't leave yet, accept this added scurity messure, or in short join osama any thing less and your just whining



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