Originally posted by maybereal11
I said a Potus should not ever be chosen based on race, religion or sex. It was my opinion. I don't think there is a law forbidding those that choose
to vote for someone based on race etc. is there?
No there isn't and that is why it isn't illegal to vote for Obama because he is black. It seems however that too is viewed as racist but only when
white people suggesting blacks do it and no other way.
Confused. So you say a Potus should not ever be NOT chosen based on race, religion or sex...Okay. Yes. Agreed.
Yes then we agree on something, and that, by the way is the law in addition to being your opinion now that we got that cleared up.
Communist flag in his headquarters? Please explain and provide CREDIBLE sources.
Well like most people asking for proof including what they deem are credible sources, it has been my experience it is next to impossible to prove a
thing negative about Obama even his own words in his own book prove what I am saying regarding his socialism, Ill ask you if i were to show you proof,
would it have any effect on your choice?
This is what I am finding is so curious about Obamanauts is the ether they seem to be in with this guy. I mean the dots all connect the friends, his
back round his extreme left voting record etc,. all point in the same direction and where their is smoke the r is fire.
Now of course their was an excuse to this given by the Obama camp but indulge me for a time here take a another serious look at what Obama he likes to
read, his favorite books, like Communist author Saul Alinsky whose many quotes Obama has taken from his book describing how to usurp America from the
inside without spilling a drop of blood being an agent for change in a conspiracy to get Americans to become unknowing agents for change to topple the
American Government from one based on the Constitution to a Socialist gradually increasing with every generation a more Communist Society. This is
the agenda for a group called the Socialist Democrats of Illinois where Obama is a registered member. He has been very vocal in his opposition to
our handling of Cuba so much so that he has Fidel Castro's endorsement.
One of the interests Obama has with his wife Michelle when he met her was also that she was very interested in socialism. The Communist Manifesto
instructs its followers that patriotism, especially of the American kind, is counter intuitive to bringing about what they refer to to as the
"change" they believe in.
The movement gained a lot of popularity in 1998-99 and many running for office as democrats were living double lives as agents for the change they
Now one thing you usually find when you meet people with common interests is more of them. More people sharing an interest that is one many Americans
died trying to keep from ever happening. Like most areas of interest, each has its own vernacular, its own terminology they all understand and one
they all share. Many are used in Obama speeches. Words like "Economic Justice" "Academic Justice" "redistribution of wealth" all taken
straight from Saul Alinsky's book.
Obama has danced around questions regarding his questionable ideology only to leave many feeling a sense of resentment being told our valid questions
are merely racist or regurgitated McCain negative attack ads, etc. In Obama's book the Audacity of truth we find many of the inconsistencies and
other very curious clues to what kind of man Obama is, questions about his Birth place still remain unclear and his statements made about many of the
issues regarding his wife's thesis to the recent investigation where they had discovered he had many documents destroyed or held in bogus litigation
similarly to the way Obama got his seat in the senate in an un-opposed election.
His claim of Christianity is a bold faced lie and THAT I know for certain because anyone who can be pro death or what they call abortion even where up
to 11 hours after a baby born alive is to be given no rights what so ever, as if it is a thing, a non person is contrary to the very rights blacks who
once were treated as non persons have fought so hard to overcome.
On the very rare occasion Rev Wright actually USES REAL scripture from the bible rather than rant about how rich white people control all the blacks
is typical for Black Liberation Theology and it also makes a good cover, for his real religion which was Islamic Muslim.
Now he has spent a lot of money and time re writing his history but he can't re-write his book and in his own words he is Muslim living a double life
as a Christian in a non Christian church which is pro abortion, anti American and anti white with a religious ideology for socialism. This was
perfect for Obama in the beginning but later would be a problem and like most of the problems he has with this recurring connections to socialists and
Interesting you would bring up such a tortuously construed ad hoc reason for what I have called your wordsmith attempts.
In as much as I might agree with the ladder existing having seen this sort of post modernist technique in debating topics related to absolute truth
and many other topics where proponents like to use level 4 abstractions to muddy the waters, any formal debate such as a court of law for instance
will get you a reprimand on the first attempt and a contempt charge if you continue to use that line of argument.
If you are already well versed in semantics as you indicate then you already know what I am saying is true (*based on the work of Hayakawa's ladder
of abstractions) In the simplest terms then, the more Level 1 abstraction you use in your writing, the more you will be understood by your audience.
Originally posted by maybereal11
please answer the question I have asked four times now,
What is it you have a problem with a black person voting for another black person because he is black? Can you answer that? even if it the reason is
shallow what is it exactly makes that racist?
MY ANSWER FROM PREVIOUS POST:
HOW DID THAT NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
Lets try this...have you ever heard of Hayakawa's abstraction ladder?
Voting for or against someone based on race or any other characteristic that is not relevant to their performance does not make sense and in critical
positions such as POTUS it is reckless.
ok I think I see where we are not connecting, and It is that your opinion happens to be the law and when it comes to the law, it doesn't entertain
anything above a level 1 abstraction layer. I think it is obvious the reasons why as our situation has already proven when we both are on the same
page, things get much easier to comprehend.
Now here is where the confusion comes from.
When you gave your first initial reason for POTUS it was similar to the way the law is written regarding discrimination laws which we both agree.
having said that and regardless of whether you think it is immoral or wrong to vote for someone merely because they are black is NOT illegal and some
Blacks have justified this by saying it is about time we had a Black person in office and we might not be getting another chance this close to being
the one we've all been waiting for again.
I have no problem with that because it is their right to do that so without Obama having anything more to put on his resume than his mysteriously
financed college tuition's to several of the best universities and his $12,000 a year job, he really has nothing more for Powell to give as his
reason for voting for him and as we have all seen thanks to you and your reference hayakawa ladder, we see Powell using more level 4 abstractions to
explain his reason for voting for Obama.
Saying he is "inspirational" and a "transformational figure" doesn't answer the question if you want to get to the brass tax he has just given us
fluff and I know he is more intelligent than that but one thing I know will over ride his intelligence is his racism and if you don't think Blacks
are Racist, just listen to them in a conversation where they think they are not among white people and you'll hear racism like you wouldn't believe.
It would shock you if you are as naive as you are displaying.
Obama being Black is nothing compared to Obama being a socialist and THAT is what I keep seeing signs of and I am not ALONE. when ASKED IF HE
BELIEVES IN A SOCIALIST AMERICA Obama dodges the question again claiming it is the politics of distraction.
No it is not, but it IS a valid question and one we Voters deserve an HONEST ANSWER too. If he won't answer it, Ill use what clues I have already
seen myself and he has already made patent in his Book. He was raised by a powerful Communist leader but we all heard him say he was a Goat herder.
NOT TRUE and by the look of things, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
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