Originally posted by vor78
I suppose its possible, but it seems a little too obvious. If you're going to cheat, do it right. You don't give outward visual clues that its happening. If this were intentional, I doubt that it would be so apparent.

It sounds like a malfunctioning machine to me.

I kind of saw it like this. You have two boxes on the screen that have two corresponding touch areas right? So what if you have to be super precise to pick B.O. and a feather checks J.M. Maybe they are hoping that most people will not notice and just touch and go and touch and go. I dunno, just what I was thinking. I mean, anyone that says anything can get that -oh use your fingernail deal.

Thats so true,
thing is, you need 2 half decent candidates to make it appear that either one 'could' win the election.

If you ran some dirty old red neck ( no not mccain )
against a honest and dignified academic type.. and the redneck won... you'd have mass outrage as its obvious its rigged.

thats why no body really questioned it.

But Mccain V Obama, is too much of a stretch.

Mccain had better not win, because the people will revolt and that military on the corner shop will surpress anyone declaring the election rigged.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741

Originally posted by vor78
I suppose its possible, but it seems a little too obvious. If you're going to cheat, do it right. You don't give outward visual clues that its happening. If this were intentional, I doubt that it would be so apparent.

It sounds like a malfunctioning machine to me.

I kind of saw it like this. You have two boxes on the screen that have two corresponding touch areas right? So what if you have to be super precise to pick B.O. and a feather checks J.M. Maybe they are hoping that most people will not notice and just touch and go and touch and go. I dunno, just what I was thinking. I mean, anyone that says anything can get that -oh use your fingernail deal.

I volunteered to help with voting during mid terms and i will tell you a lot of voters are just plain stupid. Had one person that sat in the booth for over an hour turns out she didn't realize it was a touch screen and was too embarrassed to ask and even after further instructions still kept screwing up. In the article if you noticed she said the check moved from Obama to mccain when she touched Obama

Why would she change it if obama was already checked?

Well guys, it finally dawned on me what the purpose is for the active duty brigade in from Iraq. McCain and the Republicans are going to steal this election as well. When we the people freak out and say that we are not going to allow this fraud to be perpetrated on us again, we will have this brigade to answer to.

I remember reading a peer reviewed statistics report that came to the conclusion that based on the differences between the exit polling results and the actual results in 2000, that there was a 250,000,000:1 chance that Bush legitimately won the election. You read that correctly 250 million to 1 chance. In other words, it is more likely you will win the Powerball (70 million to 1). Expect a similar outcome this time around. I think I am going to go puke now.

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
Well guys, it finally dawned on me what the purpose is for the active duty brigade in from Iraq. McCain and the Republicans are going to steal this election as well. When we the people freak out and say that we are not going to allow this fraud to be perpetrated on us again, we will have this brigade to answer to.

i don't really worry about this brigade even so you might have nailed there purpose stateside. but the private army named blackwater that disquises itself as a security company is the most probable threat to us common folk next on the list is the un troops here already. they aren't wearing uniforms yet but they are the new immigrants from the countries that were sent here from old world. they are the ones who now have priority in the job markets and most are ex-military from the countries that recently were set free so to speak. a few were in the military because
because they were forced,most joined. just pay attention were you work a see if it isn't so!

Originally posted by dragonridr


I volunteered to help with voting during mid terms and i will tell you a lot of voters are just plain stupid. Had one person that sat in the booth for over an hour turns out she didn't realize it was a touch screen and was too embarrassed to ask and even after further instructions still kept screwing up. In the article if you noticed she said the check moved from Obama to mccain when she touched Obama

Why would she change it if obama was already checked?

Don't get me wrong. I know that there are plenty of stupid people are there. It is just that these electronic voting machines do have a somewhat of a shady history.

If Obama wins, they'll be no voter fraud because everyone found out and stampted it out. (like in '06 right? when everyone predicted massive republican voter fraud that didn't happen?)

If McCain wins it'll HAVE to be vote fraud.
To prove it (or at least keep it as a subject on ATS) we now need previous "proof" like this bogus claim of fraud "and so it begins" so we can all point to and say "See, they cheated again.." for the next 4 years.

Even when the fraud points to liberals, you all look away like it didn't happen or it was an "accident". Heck, all it tales on ATS is somene to CLAIM vote fraud, of any kind and you all jump on the bandwagon SO fast (usually without one shred of evidence) it is just not funny anymore.

Liberals cannot take a loss, if they lose it must be by cheating.
No liberal ever cheats, no liberal ever stuffs a voter roll. When was the last time a liberal lost a vote and DID NOT claim voter fraud?


Only conservatives try to buy, cheat and steal votes.
They usually do it on Sundays right after the "kick the puppies" segment of church mass.

The pople who are constantly talking about sheeple?.. yes.. sheeple.
Take a look at yourselves seriously and think about the other side of the aisle, we are not all evil puppy kicking bigots who cheat on every test.

GROW UP.

Originally posted by fleabit
I think you need more cases to point any fingers and say X is happening as a result of fraud. But in my experiences with computers and touchscreens, I've never seen the selection move. It's a program. Once you select something and it registers, it is a done deal. I've never seen it move of its own accord. Now, maybe they thought it moved, but they just misclicked. But it's something to keep an eye on. Votes that actually change from one checkbox to another is very worrisome.

It did say they tried it several times and it repeated the sequence. This is similar to what happend in a race other then presidential in Florida.

I posted a link for Hacking Democracy. You should watch it....its pretty appalling....
Pretty much caught red handed.

Originally posted by gormly
If Obama wins, they'll be no voter fraud because everyone found out and stampted it out. (like in '06 right? when everyone predicted massive republican voter fraud that didn't happen?)

If McCain wins it'll HAVE to be vote fraud.
To prove it (or at least keep it as a subject on ATS) we now need previous "proof" like this bogus claim of fraud "and so it begins" so we can all point to and say "See, they cheated again.." for the next 4 years.

Even when the fraud points to liberals, you all look away like it didn't happen or it was an "accident". Heck, all it tales on ATS is somene to CLAIM vote fraud, of any kind and you all jump on the bandwagon SO fast (usually without one shred of evidence) it is just not funny anymore.

Liberals cannot take a loss, if they lose it must be by cheating.
No liberal ever cheats, no liberal ever stuffs a voter roll. When was the last time a liberal lost a vote and DID NOT claim voter fraud?


Only conservatives try to buy, cheat and steal votes.
They usually do it on Sundays right after the "kick the puppies" segment of church mass.

The pople who are constantly talking about sheeple?.. yes.. sheeple.
Take a look at yourselves seriously and think about the other side of the aisle, we are not all evil puppy kicking bigots who cheat on every test.

GROW UP.

You are drastically wrong. There was proven voter fruad in both 2000 and 2004. Where is '06 comming from? The fraud was perpetuated by Diebolt itsself (Diebolt make the voter machines) and proven in forms of letters from the president of the Diebolt corporation to the republican election committee saying he will "deliever the votes in 2004" and large sums of money recieved by diebolt from the Republican election committee.
Why it is all brushed under the rug is boggling to me.

Originally posted by Douggie
Where is '06 comming from?

you were not on ATS is '06 when every other post predicted massive voter fraud and a republican win on all levels?

Or did you just choose to ignore that?

also. "proven" voter fraud was only "proven where people "chose" to look.
My point is clear, libs see what they want to see.. do what they want to do.. as long as they have the evil republicans in consideration the ends justify the means.

lie, cheat, steal, hate, whatever.. it's all ok as long as it pertains to a republican/conservative.


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