Rule #1: Follow the money.

The largest and most profitable industry in the world is the drug and chemical industry. Second largest is the oil industry. The world's key financier-power brokers control drug, chemical and oil business, gaining most of their financial (and political) power from drug, chemical and oil profits.

The main industries causing and contributing to environmental and climate change are the drug, chemical and oil industries. The resultant extinction rate is unprecedented except in extinction events. Declining human health worldwide, and horrendous increases in chronic and 'genetic' disease resulting from new mutations, tell us the human race is not immune.

Before the global financial meltdown, most of the world's governments were poised to take action on climate change. If the meltdown had not occurred, globally coordinated government action would have triggered an economic re-organization affecting the drug, chemical and oil industries, and threatened the ruling financiers' power base.

The main global economic/political impact of the global financial meltdown is to stall action on climate change - and thereby protect the world's economic status quo.

Would the world's leading financiers really have done this? Is the collateral damage acceptable to them? Could they really have pulled it off?

Absolutely.

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I have a bad feeling about this thread. It seems to me that climate change is exactly what the establishment want to be on the agenda. I have heard other people talk about a 'tax on life'. i.e the more carbon you use, the more tax you spend. I mean, who is one of the main proponents of the climate change movement Al Gore, hmm.

Have you ever thought may be not our fault. I have heard theories about sun spots which sound more realistic to me.

If global warming (now global climate change) was such a major threat, why not stop the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Certainly all those tanks and jets releasing all that carbon dioxide rival anything my breath my do on the planet.

Some people are just really stupid. They have my utmost, sincerest sympathy.

Hi Cedik - thanks for your response.

Re: what I think.

Our planet is a system that is affected by, and interacts with, a number of other systems both large and small - perhaps an infinite number of other systems, including the galactic, atomic, and other dimensional.

Certainly - solar cycles could affect our climate, as well as black holes and who knows what. But climate (and life) is complicated - there's no point looking for, or at, a single cause-and-effect.

However - there is no doubt that we have changed our planet's environment at the molecular level - and as a result, we have altered -and contributed to altering- the dynamics of our planet's systems, including weather, water, climate and biological systems.

Just think about it - we have created over 100,000 synthetic chemicals and released them into our environment. NONE of our systems were evolved to deal with these chemicals - but now, they must accommodate, modify, mutate and adapt. And these chemicals can combine with one another, as well as with natural chemicals, to create an infinite number of new chemical compounds that nothing in our world was designed to deal with. ...Everything has an effect.

FYI - Scientists used to talk about taking action to prevent climate change, or "mitigation strategies." But now, the focus is on "adaptation strategies." ...Because prevention is no longer possible, and we need to adjust to the changes that already have occurred, and plan for the changes yet to come.



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the whole hegelian dialectic is the game.. basically think good cop bad cop. Or in this case 1984 vs. Brave new world. or Republican v democrat. Republicans vote for a tough guy to protect us from some foreign threat democrats vote for someone to protect us from republicans.


Money is made in volitility (think soros .. he made his money by buying up assets in a sector, on such volume that the sector moved up then everyone got on the band wagon then he moved the money to the next asset class .basically guaranteeing that he sold at peak and picking up the next asset class at a song). Think about who arbitrarily sets interest rates (Federal Reserve) run by member banks run by majority share holders. The bigger the swing the more they make. What I am expecting (and i heard some fund manager from England say it on Bloomberg radio) Deflation then inflation... Whether Bush falseflags us with a loose nuke into a slave state or Obama smoothtalks us into it with environmental flim flam is unimportant.. the game is over tilted against us. I hate to say it but the Unibomber manifesto was right, this technology is just used to turn us into the cattle of the elite. As for global warming.. right now the polar caps of mars and the moons in our solar system that have polar caps are also melting... / dissapating. And if the martians are buring up fossil fuels to do that I have not hear about it.

Marg - great observations and points. Thanks. I generally agree with you but would take it farther and say the issue that "needed killin' " this year was climate change action.

Interestinggg - Good point about the SEC removing the rule.

Also - any overview of the world's financial/economic history shows that the world's "financial markets" are commonly manipulated. The standby favorite is always war, but following the replacement of monarchies with corporations, the manipulation of stock markets is more common.

Assuming as you say, "It was a set up," then the question becomes, "Why now?"

...I'm thinking it was to block the world's governments from cooperating to deal with our changing environment and climate - and most dangerous to the ruler-financiers, to prevent the power from flowing democratically back to the people.

Another question - How close does this bring the planet's ruler-financiers to totally neutralizing democracy, and absolutely consolidating their power and control?


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the financial-> economic-> monetary... crises->leading to a global collapse is indeed being orchestrated


it is evident in the insistance that the bank-to-bank credit swaps and hundreds of Trillion$ in derivatives & debt swaps...
Are real & legal debt instruments which the taxpayers must monetize.

no-siree, these debt swaps, CDS and the like are insurance bets that are created between banks and financed by the banks, for payment between one-another....
the public is out of the loop.... those debt swaps have no meaning in the world outside the intra-bank financial landscape....
but Bernanke & Paulson are demanding the US govt/ you an I... make good on these loans/bets/insurance bets which the banks created and swaped amongst themselves.

If the swaps had any value outside the 'invite only' card game played amongst the elite bankers... just why didn't the elite bankers take these swaps as wage compensation? Why? because they know the swap 'assets' are worthless pieces of numbers tickets, as far as the real world of economies goes.

the great deception has been played on the masses.
while the banks swapped notes and kept generating more & more counter party paper, to 'pay' each other with non existant collateral at some unset future time.


All the swaps, derivatives, and other bank-to-bank paper 'bets' should be considered Bogus, and not worthy of consideration as an actual 'asset' or 'debt' obligation... it was only monopoly-money of pretty purple & teal & orange colors.
The banker elites awarded themselves the outlandish bonuses for creating the illusion of wealth & debt with these phantom devices....let them be satisified with their already realized spoils...
and reverse the Fed/Treasury 'Order', that the taxpayers are responsible for the wanton excesses of imaginary debt instruments at the private poker table game....those 'chips' belong to the players who sat at the table... not to the bartenders, floorsweepers, waitresses, dishwashers,
and the service industry personnel who keep the lights on-the water running-the juke box playing.... no, the outside world & all the people in it are not responsible for the chips and the table stakes of that private game of chance


Amen

Well the rumors tells that America is going to come short handed for the bail out anyway as our nation will not be able to afford the bail out debt.

Also for the tax payer money that is already allocated for the bail out banks about 2.5 trillion we have to take into consideration the greedy human factor that will affect how much of that money will be squandered.

Remember Iraq war and the missing money?.

One of the reasons the bail out will fail eventually.

I am reading more on the story.

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Originally posted by marg6043
Well the rumors tells that America is going to come short handed for the bail out anyway as our nation will not be able to afford the bail out debt.

...One of the reasons the bail out will fail eventually.

marg - the bailout will fail to bail out all but the big-5 ruler financiers who are backed by real assets. The rest are hangers-on, seduced to play with the Big Boyz - and raped along with the rest of us.

What the "bailout" WILL accomplish is to destroy democracy by ending our financial independence and freedom. We're all indentured servants now.


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[edit on 19-10-2008 by soficrow]

Originally posted by soficrow

What the "bailout" WILL accomplish is to destroy democracy by ending our financial independence and freedom. We're all indentured servants now.

Well it seems that for many "American Patriots" that despise socialism and will fall flat on their arses fighting they so far has been very compliant with our own "democratic" government doing it.

European Central Bank Member: “Tri-Polar” Currency Will Emerge

Jonathan Tirone
Bloomberg
October 19, 2008

European Central Bank council member Ewald Nowotny said a “tri-polar” global currency system is developing between Asia, Europe and the U.S. and that he’s skeptical the U.S. dollar’s centrality can be revived.

“What I see is a system where we have more centers of gravity” Nowotny said today in an interview with Austrian state broadcaster ORF-TV. “I see for the future a tri-polar development, and I don’t think that there will be fixed exchange rates between these poles.”

The leaders of the U.S., France and the European Commission will ask other world leaders to join in a series of summits on the global financial crisis beginning in the U.S. soon after the Nov. 4 presidential election, President George W. Bush, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and European Commission President Jose Barroso said in a joint statement yesterday.

Nowotny said he was “skeptical” when asked whether the Bretton Woods System of monetary policy, set up after World War II and revised in 1971, could be revived to aid global currency stability. The U.S. meeting should aim to strengthen financial regulation, define bank capital ratios and review the role of debt-rating agencies.