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Originally posted by Alexander_Supertramp
All great points, but I was taught all of these things while in middle/high school. Granted, I'm only a sophomore in college now so things might have changed since when you were in school, but the only thing on that list I had not been taught was the number of possible different peoples who came to the 'New World.' I was informed of the Vikings but I don't recall anything other than that and Columbus.
Regardless, these are things most people need to know. History is never black and white and history books are not the end-all-be-all of truth, so I agree with your motives for this thread.
Originally posted by MoothyKnight
The Native Americans were the first settlers of the new world. And also Columbus was a tyrant, when he discovered Cuba he forced the Natives there to look for gold and about a million people died or became slaves because of his lust for gold.
[edit on 19-10-2008 by MoothyKnight]
Originally posted by noobfun
you missed the french invasion from your list of american finders
all pre clovis evidence found so far suggests a settlement by french stoneage man was the earliest know, they did what the inuites did and travled along the edge of the ice pack
they lived in similar conditions to the inuit and were similarily tooled up so did the hunt/fish paddle and climb up on the ice at night its thought
the stonage tools are identicle from france and the united states and that is pretty much the only place these tools are found
id like to see some of that high evidence for 70,000 years ago, pre clovis point was almost heresy when suggested (kinda still is) and thats a 20-30,000 year old invasion
Originally posted by nj2day
Just out of curiosity, did you go to a public or a private school?
I think the fact you were taught these things the correct way from the get go is great! you must have had an awesome school system, or just lucky enough to get good teachers!
unfortunately, many of these myths are still taught in school. I'm guessing it may vary from state to state...
My High School biology class when I was in School taught creationism alongside Evolution.
fortunately I had a teacher that followed through on her obligations to teach these theories, but did not just blankly state sound bytes. She also gave weaknesses in either case and let us decide... (most teachers didn't at the time... they might now.)
Just for the record, I graduated in 1999... in case some people are speculating that I graduated in the stone age
1) Columbus left europe to prove that the earth was round, and was the first person to discover the new world.
Ok, this one is way off... Educated peoples since the time of the greeks had believed the Earth was round. This was true of columbus as well. The spherical shape of our world was well known by the time Columbus set sail.
Columbus is actually the about the 15th person to make it to the new world, give or take. There are some speculated groups of people that have some evidence, but not conclusive evidence... I will list them as follows, and will rank the quality of evidence from low to high:
some of these sources are less reputable than others. However, it is plainly obvious that Columbus did not discover North America.
why haven't you heard of these other people? Well, you have to reflect on what world view the textbooks and schools teach from. American History is remarkably "Euro-centric". meaning, it focuses only on the european point of view.
Upon winning the Revolutionary War, the founding fathers set forth to the task of creating a democratic style of government.
False: The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union was the first document put into power before the Constitution. A confederate style of government is one in which the governments of all the states, formed into a union, but without a "federal" government ruling over them. The Articles of Confederation meant each state had its own autonomous government. This was in effect from 1781 until 1787, when it was replaced by the U.S. Constitution. However it was not fully ratified by the states until 1790.
Aside from the natives, white Europeans were the first permanent settlers of America.
False: in 1526 an expedition of 500 Spanish, and 100 African slaves Founded a town in South Carolina. However, disease and skirmishes with the natives reduced the Slave owners numbers to about 150-200. When the time was right, the Slaves revolted, and escaped into the countryside. The Spaniards, being ravaged by violence and plague, turned tail and set sail, leaving the slaves behind. The slaves then etched out a living with the natives on the new continent. The first permanent settlers were African Slaves.
Abraham Lincoln led the Union into the civil war to abolish slavery.
False: Abraham Lincoln had no desire to free the slaves, nor did he feel that African Americans were equal, or should be given the right to vote:
"I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about the social and political equality of the white and black races -- That I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes" --Abraham Lincoln, Charleston NC, Lincoln/Douglass debates
Lincoln entered into the Civil War solely to preserve the Union. To prevent the Confederates from succeeding. The Emancipation Proclamation? That was a political tactic employed by Lincoln to hopefully get the Slaves in the south to revolt, and join the Union army. After all, if the union won the war, the slaves would be free.
It might also be interesting to note, at the time of the civil war, the North had more slaves per capita than the south.