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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by Doug Gaveld
ouch...its amazing how severely extreme some people can be in the lengths they go to uphold their ideals, no matter how nonsensical they may be.


Who are you talking about Muslims or Christians ? Strikes me as they're all pretty much the same, they'll get away with what they can and hide behind some scripture or other written by an imaginary god.


If tomorrow I had an agrument with the wife and somehow managed to kill her. I could hide behind the bible and claim that she had commited adultery so it was required dhe be put to death.

It is secular law ie reason, that prevents religious the religious scapegoat. Unfortunately islam has yet to grow up accept the voice of reason equally so the christians have a long way to go.




posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 03:59 AM
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Still going on dude, we have to thank one god or another

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by Doug Gaveld
ouch...its amazing how severely extreme some people can be in the lengths they go to uphold their ideals, no matter how nonsensical they may be.



Yes it is interesting how some people lose all their mental faculties of objectivity,impartiality,reason and rationale once they have an emotive agenda invested in an ideal or concept.

Regarding the thread and its implications,I think thius post needs to be addressed:

"Have a good read of this very comprehensive report on wahhabi islam´s treatment and attitude towards women.
It does contain some graphic images of women being stoned to death and scalded but it is a very interesting,detailed account nonetheless:
www.dhushara.com...

Of course all muslims do not adopt this sexist,sociopathic attitude but this mindset is ´directly attributtal´ to the ´interpretation´ of abrahamic lore gleaned by some mysogynist,extremist imans and acolytes."



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 05:49 AM
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Okay first off I condone none of this and condemn it all and secondly I am NOT Facist or Racist or any other negative 'ist' - I find all religion hack equally.

But a sad, horrid fact is this: A sick twisted pervert from say, I don't know. The U.K/U.S/Australia etc... Can go over to a "Muslim country"

He can dephile, sickenly rape, torture, whatever else... One or many young girls, then kill them... Make up some bold faced lie which none of these girls can argue as they're now dead

He can blame it on "Islam" and get away w/ it.

In no other country/Religion would this be allowed and wiped off the slates... That is a cold, hard, HORRIBLE fact of life.

Edited to add: I failed to find in this whole seven-eight pages anywhere that says this guy did get arrested or 'done' for this crime, so... Did he? At all? I'd like SOMETHING to tell me I'm wrong about all this, honestly


[edit on 20-10-2008 by A55A551N]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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If you bother to pay attention to news here in the United States, you'll find there is no shortage of Christian whack jobs or whack jobs of any other religious convictions, including atheists.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 06:58 AM
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If you bother to pay attention to news here in the United States, you'll find there is no shortage of Christian whack jobs or whack jobs of any other religious convictions, including atheists.


I agree with you and what many in this thread have said! Yes, there are many maniacs of all persuasion out there. BUT, please READ what I originally said. I said this WAS NOT about religious beliefs. BUT what I said was that this creep can use Islam as his righteous endorsement.

As many have pointed out, only Islam condones stoning, beheading, burning, subjugation and general barbaric behavior.

Do other people from other religions do these things? Yes of course they do. But the difference is the said church / religious leaders distance themselves from these people and condemn the actions.

So my whole point was, WHY don't Muslims of ALL ilks (ie: not just Moderates) distance themselves and publicly condemn these actions.

I just want to see 1 Imam go on TV and say "This is not what Islam is all about, this is not acceptable behavior in Islam".

Problem is I will never see that, because if they said it they would be lying.

end of story...



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Well India is primarily Hindu not Muslim. Guess you should probably get your facts right before you spread your hate.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
I guess in India they equate lipstick with whores and prostitutes and I find this not dissimilar to the thread about the 15 year old girl who's pushed the limits of her sexuality in Ohio. The only difference is they didn't get to burn her they just called her a whore and praised her prosecution for child porn.

I don't see it as an exclusively Muslim thing, I think it has more to do with the social mores in that area and the lack of laws or people to stand up for women.


You don't see burning women alive for inappropriately dressing as a muslim thing? You are joking, right?



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by Doug Gaveld
ouch...its amazing how severely extreme some people can be in the lengths they go to uphold their ideals, no matter how nonsensical they may be.


Who are you talking about Muslims or Christians ? Strikes me as they're all pretty much the same, they'll get away with what they can and hide behind some scripture or other written by an imaginary god.


If tomorrow I had an agrument with the wife and somehow managed to kill her. I could hide behind the bible and claim that she had commited adultery so it was required dhe be put to death.

It is secular law ie reason, that prevents religious the religious scapegoat. Unfortunately islam has yet to grow up accept the voice of reason equally so the christians have a long way to go.





Yeah, but under the law you'd be sentenced. Under Muslim law they'd thanks you for your efforts... True Story.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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stoning or beheading....is not islam

its just ancient arabic culture which they really need to separate from islam instead of using the religion as a convenient excuse.

Its the people not the religion.

I believe that muslims may not be coming out to speak against coz such behaviours are so associated with their religion that even if they had defended it or presented some truth, it'll fall on deaf ears and maybe even make matters worst and have them ridiculed.

Many people are blinded by their perceptions of islam that even if muslims had come out and condemn whatever actions, how much would it change?

Granted that I said those above but perhaps some brave soul might come out and yell publicly how wrong those actions were. I hope he/she does.

If such a person does come out to do such, would that change you? Atleast you?

[edit on 20-10-2008 by Prometheus Ascendent]



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by WatchNLearn

Girl set ablaze for wearing lipstick


news.ninemsn.com.au

An 11-year-old girl was set on fire by a relative in India's northern city of Jaipur for wearing lipstick and being "inappropriately dressed", media reports said.

The girl suffered burns over 90 per cent of her body. Her chances of survival were bleak, police officers told the NDTV network on Saturday.
(visit the link for the full news article)



wow, i thought this might have happened in the bible belt of alabama, but i guess that wouldn't have been newsworthy.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
The problem is not what is written in the Koran, but how people interpret it........That said, "IMO" and in my personal experience, it seems that the far and away the vast majority of horrible sick events like this seem to has a monster(s) hiding behind Islam.





I totally agree with you, up to a point. Some people will always interpret things in a twisted way, but there is nothing in the Quran that could be twisted to mean that what he did was ok. And i don't think any Muslim, devout or otherwise, would say any different.

Even in the hadith (extra texts aside from the Quran, and from which many unneccessary laws come from), cannot be twisted to condone something like this.
I don't even think it is them hiding behind religion, especially in cases like this. I think that what is more likely is that the newspaper thought it would cause a bit more sensation to let people know this man was a Muslim.






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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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ok this is nothing to do with religion im a cathlic and the fact is there is good and bad everywhere doesnt matter what religion you are , just some people are cruel or very evil. dont be fooled into thinking all muslims are evil because most religions are based on good and it just takes someone evil to use religion as an excuse.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Ironclad
OK moderate Muslim...Hmmm

Answer these questions as truthfully as you can then pls.

1. You have a teenage daughter who comes home from school one day & informs you she wants to start wearing western clothing. Mni-Skirts, Lipstick, Ear Rings, High Heals.... etc

She is very adimant about it & will do it weather you Forbid it or not...

What will you do about it?

2. Your Teenage daughter comes home oneday & infoms you that she is in love with a Cristian/Jewis/Protistant/Bhuddist.

She is going to marry him, reguardless of what you say..!!!

What will you do about it & how will you deal with it?

3. Your Teenage Daughter comes home one day & tells you that she is having sex on a regular basis.

What will you do about it?

4. YOur Teenage Daughter comes home one day & tells you she wishes to convert to another religion... Mormon/Scientology/Christianity/Jewdism/Bhuddism...etc..

What do you do?

Now imagine for a second if you will...

If all the above happened, but it was'nt your teenage Daughter, but your Teenage Son...

What do you do?

I am answering you here as a very relaxed Muslim, but i will also give you an idea of what her father would do (more stricter, more traditional, not THAt devout though)

1 : I wouldn't let her wear mini-skirts, but the rest is ok. She already wears Western clothes by the way, as do i. All the time. The reason i don't want her wearing mini-skirts is cos she is a young girl and she lives under my roof. I am in charge of her and i don't like it. The rest....is fine. Apart from wearing make-up at school cos it's not allowed. (She has ear-rings too). As for her doing it whether i forbid it or not...well...you know what? I buy her clothes.

Her father has seen her ear-rings (seeing as he took her to get them), mini-skirts...no...make-up, not while at school. The rest...fine. He also wears western clothes by the way.

2 : I honestly wouldn't give a toss who she chose to marry, really i wouldn't. But thats because i respect other religions too and i respect HER.

Her father would not be happy, thats fair to say. But would he kill her? God, no. he would be pissed but he has never been violent towards her and he never would be.

3 : How old is she? Teenagers vary greatly from 13 to 19? Anything below 17 i would be a bit miffed, but glad she told me. I would put her on birth control but also talk to her and tell her how i felt.

Her father would be mad, yes, what father wouldn't? Again, he wouldn't harm her though.

4 : Again, would not care if they converted. There are many paths to God and all that. But again, i will say that we talk alot about religion and spirituality in our house.

Again, their father would be miffed, and i have actually talked to him about this, and he said....i wouldn't like it, but what could i do? You bring your kids up and then they do what they want.

And all those responses would be the same for my sons. (i have 3 sons, 1 daughter) ...apart from if they wanted to wear high heels and make-up...then i would suggest they don't :-)

I know what you are trying to say and you will probably come back and say...well, you obviously don't follow it properly. And you're right...i don't follow it that well. But then, not alot of people do. And the really devout ones...i mean the ones that study the Quran and not just parrot it....would be against this stuff anyway (the crime in the OP)
There are alot more moderates than extremists, remember that. Alot more. And anyone who advocates honor killings, child molestation etc....are not following Gods Law



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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I disagree. I believe the item would have been more "sensationalistic" had it been about Christianity. The truth is we are flooded with cases such as these (not that that I'm in any way for this kind of treatment) until we cease to question objectivity. The result of course is the ingrained stereotype that all Muslims are violent.

Sure, Wahhabism intolerance and violence are an issue. As are the Christian Army of God and Lambs of Christ, or perhaps the Hindu bounty-hunting of Christians in Orissa (with what appears to be government impunity). Pick and choose at your leisure. The bottom line is a question of personal relevance.

This is of course an opinion. My views are not set in stone.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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No, it is NOT related to the culture.

Culture in Africa was in past related to other systems of believes, much better for women then for men.

I see it clearly as "small people violence" which is powered back by the Muslim world.

IF muslims would punish this kind of violence against the closest family, this would stop very soon. But, it is always good to have some fanatics for religion.



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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What has religion got to do with anything? Satanists aren't deemed a religion by authorities thereby if my true belief was that Lucifer is actually the good guy I couldn't say your being racist to my beliefs and I'd probably offend you, if anything you'll call me whacko. Many here criticize Islam but have you read their books? I haven't therefore I have no right to judge on a religious stand here.

I'm guessing the poor child's condition is the result of family honour taken to extremes as i've noticed all to often in foreign family groups (not born of the UK) in news or witnessing of rather stern parenting, then again we've already outlawed alot of things scaring mothers into not doing such things in case government nanny comes for the kids.

My point is these people we're raised to have such a respect of themselves and family that breaking this means bad news, leads to rebelling which is last point of no return and there's a dead body in the news again.

Simple answer here, if your that screwed in the head don't have kids. and if your kids turn out different than your expectations DO NOT SET FIRE!!?! Appalling behaviour for a human being.

ed. I didn't really make my point clear on the first para, its not religions fault (entirely?) its the social environment and tight knit family relations gone wrong.

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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The soldiers in question have been charged with rape, murder, and the other crimes they may have committed. If and when found guilty, they will serve whatever sentences the court-martial may prescribe, up to and including death.

There is absolutely no chance that the acts (if they were, indeed, committed) in question would be justified on religious grounds if the soldiers had been Jews or Christians. Murder and rape are unconditionally condemned by those faiths.

On the other hand. how many "crimes of honor" have been justified by other religions (not singling out Islam here - I once had to step in with a pistol to prevent an "honor killing" from happening right in front of my home - some Asian man was strangling his niece right under the street corner light, and I just happened to be the "Christian soldier" at the scene to prevent a murder from happening).

Again, not singling Islam out, but there does seem to be a greater problem with women in some religions being at risk of dying for violating a rule of propriety than there is in Judaism or Christianity (although honor killings are occasionally referred to there, too).



posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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[color=#484644]...........................................*ATTENTION*

This is a long thread, but we're really going over the same issues are we not? In addition it is just about past the time for 'Breaking News'

I'm going to move it to 'Other Current Events'.

If you like, send an alert and offer a compelling argument and it will be considered for a different forum (but not BAN).

Thank you SO much for your input, and happy posting.

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posted on Oct, 20 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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why would you move such a popular forum? There are many points being made - some are actually good. You may consider all points have been made but the 7 pages of posts do not agree. Leave the content where it is and let the converation continue.



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