Girl set ablaze for wearing lipstick, page 2

Originally posted by WatchNLearn


So where are the Muslim apologist now? So many Muslims are quick to call us racist and intolerant if you criticize Islam. They view any criticism as an attack on them. Well, I am here right now to CRITICIZE this barbaric act and I say this has NOTHING to do with religion. This is all about a filthy pedophile that couldn't get his way, so he uses the ONLY religion that condones this behavior to hide behind - ISLAM.

Please Muslims, feel free to jump in and condemn this action!



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Do you spend all day looking up this crazy news? Why does it have to be about Muslims anyway? Can't it just be a nutcase uncle who has some anger management issues. Does every Christian drown their children in a bathtub to save them before they can sin? No, it's a nut with a missing screw.

I do agree that the ladies are encouraged to dress sexier and sexier and if 18 is legal they need to not inspire lust for minors. It's a total catch-22. We call them children when a man mistakes them for being older when they dress like they are 22.

You should really question yourself about why you are searching for news stories like this and persecuting a group of people for the actions of an individual.

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At least we can agree on one thing though: The people who rammed planes into the twin towers, not moderate muslims. /

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"Christians and Hindus stopped killing women hundreds of years ago."

Absolutely, homicide is unheard of in Christian and Hindu countries. I live here in America and I didn't even know what murder was until she wrote about it. Also, our economy promotes self-determination and workers rights in third world countries that our corporations exploit viciously. Wait, did I say exploit viciously, I meant employ victoriously. Yes, that will do nicely.

Originally posted by WatchNLearn
This is all about a filthy pedophile that couldn't get his way, so he uses the ONLY religion that condones this behavior to hide behind - ISLAM.

Exactly, it's all about a paedo who couldn't control himself, and hides behind his religion so as to explain why he did it. But that's also assuming he was actually Muslim too. Anyone can just stand there and say they are Muslim, Christian etc, with no proof whatsoever unless you delve deeper.

Originally posted by WatchNLearn
Only Islam says it is ok to punish women if they dress "inappropriately". If he was a Christian for example (which I am not by the way) then he could not have used this defense. So in a nutshell, Islam "allows" these freaks a get-out--of-jail free card so to speak.

Islam is about using reasonable force to discipline your kids, and even that is only to be used as a last resort. Men and women are equals overall generally in Islam, with men given more rights over certain areas, and women given more rights over other areas, but overall, they all have equal rights. Islam doesn't give a paedo a "Get out of jail free" card. If that was done in a proper Islamic country, that probably would've been the last thing he did.

And that "If he was a Christian" crap is BS. I was going to type a ton of stuff as to why, but take your time and read the following:

www.evilbible.com...

Originally posted by WatchNLearn
B. And Yes, I am saying Islam indirectly supports this because there isn't an outcry against it from the Muslim folk!!!

If Muslims condemned this type of behavior hundreds of years ago then we wouldn't be here discussing this right now. But instead, the liberal Muslims look at the ground and shuffle their feet - a little embarrassed, but not prepared to speak out.

I really don't care what religion it is. Bab behavior is bad behavior and I think ANY religion that claims to be of God should step in and STOP this nonsense.

So there has to be an outcry over something like this to show that Muslims are against it? Grow up, man.

Most muslims wouldn't bother speaking up over something like this for several reasons, but two main ones would be over unity with fellow muslims, and the fact that the girl dressed "inappropriately" to begin with. If he had raped and set on fire someone who was dressed Islamicly, I can guarantee there would've been a witchhunt.

Even though I do think that doing something like that is extreme, and shouldn't be accepted in any way.

Like I said, he most likely wasn't a practicing Muslim, and hid behind his religion to explain why he did what he did, like the fact that he may have lied as to the reasons why he set her on fire.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
Apparently the multiculturalists and the apologists for evil don't quite get it yet. It matters what you believe! This is standard practice for many in the Muslim faith. Honor is restored by bloodshed. Honor killings of daughters disgraced in some way is common.

What BS. Standard practice? I wouldn't have converted unless Islam was at least a better religion for me than Christianity can ever hope to be, with their priests that have an unhealthy appetite for young boys.

Does that mean that all Christian priests are paedos?

In the Quran, there is no such thing as Honor. The concept of Honor is a cultural one, not a religious one.

There are also several passages dealing with killing your children, especially girls, and stating that it is a grave sin. You obviously don't know what you're on about, and I'd appreciate it if you do some research before spouting out more useless crap, the next time you post.

[edit on 19-10-2008 by JasonT]

Originally posted by MarkAkaSilent
They wont condemn this because it goes on all the time. Did you know that if a Muslim man molests a young girl or teenager then its the child/teenagers fault! I watched a documentary a little while back about a 16 Muslim girl who was publicly hung on the back of a truck because a 47 year old married Muslim man molested her from the age of 12 and when he got caught doing it he blamed her and said she seduced him.

What kind of sick # is that! I started a thread about the Muslim faith a while back and got roasted by Muslim ATSers but they still could not prove to me that i was wrong with my information. Heres the link.www.abovetopsecret.com...

Men are born weak. It is what God has written, and you take it as it is, not question it like a lot of Christians do, when they moan all the time about "why such and such verse is like this?", "we'll ignore this one", "we'll rewrite this one", "we'll change this one" etc. Most women aren't weak against men, but men are weak against women, hence women are asked to preserve themselves and others from sin, and cover themselves, dress modestly, act religiously etc, not only to prevent sinning, but helping others too.

Hence, since men are born weak, women have a certain responsibility to help ensure that men can generally control themselves. Women have a powerful influence on men, and God knows that, hence why they're asked to cover their body figure, since that's what lures men to them, and thus playing into the hands of Satan. But in the modern world, nearly all girls are more determined than ever, due to worldly influences, that it is cool to wear less and less with every passing decade. Tell me, if women all roamed naked today, would you be able to control yourself? Chances are that most men who can control themselves today would probably not be able to. You would be able to resist? What about if there was no law regarding rape? Would you still resist? What about a law that said that man CAN rape a woman, would you resist? By women covering themselves to hide their body figure, men are even less inclined to look at them (I've worked on a stall in the local marketplace, and it's amazing to see how others react to a fully clothed woman, and one who is.. erm, "dressed inappropriately")

If a man rapes the woman, in current western laws, the man is held responsible, when the girl was dressed in such a way, and basically asking for it, hence she should be held accountable. Most men wouldn't dream of doing such a thing, but at the same time, women shouldn't dress is such a way that "forces" men to look at them (And obviously, some will want to go further because of it). But if you take into account the plan of the NWO that I read somewhere regarding that women will give free sex to men, it certainly looks like the world is headed that way, with more and more women becoming like whores, and having sex before marriage, just because "It's the way it is".

I had a debate with my mother over this very issue, a couple of weeks ago, which was very interesting since it drew in other family members and was very interesting. Like most women, she said that women have the right to dress as they like. Islam isn't saying that you can't dress as you like - It's saying that, when you're out of the house, to dress in such a way that stops men looking at you in a disgusting way, and that to have some self-respect in such matters. I just can't understand the need of women to dress in such a way to make men look at them, as if it gives them some kind of fix to deal with their insecurities or something.

[edit on 19-10-2008 by JasonT]

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I don't agree with most of your post but especially where you say that most muslims wouldn't speak up over this because the girl was dressed "inappropriately"

I strongly disagree with that. Any Muslim who agreed with this horrific action in any way shape or form, may wish to re-evaluate their religion. Because it certainly has nothing to do with Islam.

Alot of your post is wrong actually, regarding women and their dress.

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Basically, its the whole "men are born weak" crap.
I don't dress scantily myself but if women want to, and men are so weak...sod off and stay indoors.
I never got that whole argument. Why the hell should women cover their bodies because men cant control themselves (which i don't believe, by the way)...why don't MEN stay indoors or hey, here's an idea....stop assuming that because a woman dresses a certain way, she wants you.

There is nothing in the Quran that says a woman has to even cover her head. It says dress modestly. And it also says that for men. Thats all. Prove me wrong, if you can.

Originally posted by geek101
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I don't agree with most of your post but especially where you say that most muslims wouldn't speak up over this because the girl was dressed "inappropriately"

I strongly disagree with that. Any Muslim who agreed with this horrific action in any way shape or form, may wish to re-evaluate their religion. Because it certainly has nothing to do with Islam.

Alot of your post is wrong actually, regarding women and their dress.

I have a large circle of Muslims friends from all walks of life, whether English, Black, Chinese, Indian etc who I talk to in my local mosque. I'm constantly learning all the time, but at the same time, thinking about it logically, Muslims generally would probably say that the girl deserved it if she was older, since she should have known better. But at the same time, she was 11 years old, so that complicates the issue, since she couldn't possibly know better. But at the same time, setting someone on fire for whatever reason is just plain out of order, and you have to be a pretty warped individual to even consider it for something as petty as being rejected by an person.

And regarding "women and their dress", please enlighten me if you say I'm wrong about anything.

[edit on 19-10-2008 by JasonT]

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