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This is for all the `ufo skeptics` must read

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posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
Have you tried to answer why the object travels up in the last part of that clip?


No, I didn't....but internos did. Go read his posts.




posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:28 PM
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These craft are currently manned by non-humans and humans. Some are unmanned. Non-humans were here long before us. We are kept in the dark simply because the US government are unwilling to admit that they are not in control.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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I would appreciate anyone who can help me to find these gentlemen in the Pittsburg, CA area as they can best verify that there is a powerful ship that circles our earth, just one of many in Commission today. What I would have all who read this blog consider is this:

There is a mother-ship of sorts that carries bombing planes. It is terrestrial in origin and this type of ship has been commissioned by the wisest beings of our kind at certain points in the history of human-kind (albeit ancient human history). The present manifestation of this ship is a magnificent city that is 1/2-mile in diameter. My lawyer related seeing this ship - telling me that it is the most magnificent and horrible thing he's ever seen. He didn't believe his eyes at having seen it on his ride home in Minnesota. However, he got home and fell asleep. Upon waking, he went outside and saw it hovering above his parent's home. He explained how it looked and drew it for me.

Still, in my three year search for this ship, I have found the best description to be the one given by the member of a rock group in Pittsburg, CA. It appeared on the Nuforc.org website in July of 2006. I've submitted the link here. There is so much I could share, but I know that many readers' beliefs are based upon their unique viewpoints. What I will share is this: "The various shapes, sizes, and colors of these ships are reflective of the diversity that exists in the human family." All of humanity is one Nation and when we grow beyond our self-importance and the diseases of classism, racism, sexism, and materialism, we are offered a glimpse into the heavens, tested, and brought before the Board for possible release from this prison 'that we have made of our earth.'

I have pictures myself - that I am not allowed to share with you, not because I'm special or don't want to, but I have to respect the wishes of the publisher. The technological advance of the wisest of our kind (human kind) does not cease, as this ship doesn't look anything like the ones I've witnessed or seen on the web...nothing like even the orbs and things that Prophet Yahweh and Ezikel have been allowed to film. Lastly, we must be open to all possibilities, as we don't know everything...we are only allowed peaks into the Grand Scheme of a History that is already written and only playing itself out in our Time. It's a great time to be alive. If anyone can find these guys, let me know. I've kinda' had two people search (as they are locals to that area), but nothing has turned up. Just by the way he wrote the report, I assumed it is true. Still, he may have been given a hush order from the U.S. government or HIS Government.

Oh, and by HIS I mean - the Lord of our World. If you can accept that Bush can be the President and so-called "leader" of the free World, perhaps you can wrap your mind around the concept that there is genuine "Lord" of our World whose really in control of all that is going on.

Sorry. Not an alien. A human. Think about it. Some of the greatest accomplishments were made by humans...there's just no way to compare our accomplishments to say - the civilizations on Mars or Saturn. Things like A.I. and the computer...marvels of technological know-how. And, this present civilization's advances in genetics...amazing stuff given what we started with.

Link: www.nuforc.org...
My e-mail: knowitallnation@gmail.com



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by FlySolo
Have you tried to answer why the object travels up in the last part of that clip?


No, I didn't....but internos did. Go read his posts.


If you are referring to the A) B) C) example, then it makes sense. Except when the object makes another 'U-turn' or changes direction again. Since of course, the moon only moves in one direction.

Your next comment will be, "take it up with Internos, I didn't post it"
...only I said it first



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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Laughable. Your second video was posted in March. Care to try again?



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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agreed, some major fail in this thread on behalf of the ufo argument. doesnt do any good for the true sceptics and people that can actually understand what evidence is and debate rationally.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by FlySolo
The physics of a balloon is the same regardless of what it is made of.


That's nonsense, and only worthy of a one line response.


I missed this stellar remark.
We're talking about either a latex or polychloroprene balloon, not a flying cardboard box. Don't over complicate things.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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thanks for that great post...i must say before i had this sighting i'm sceptical too...but i had this sighting..i know what i saw, and after that im grazy about to lean more...search the internet night after night, spend hours on the balcony watching the sky

some friends call me grazy after i told them what i saw...some ppl said its stupid to believe...
but i never understand why people come to a forum like this and start to moan...
thanks again for your clear words...



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
I missed this stellar remark.
We're talking about either a latex or polychloroprene balloon, not a flying cardboard box. Don't over complicate things.


Hey, you were the one who wanted to bring physics into the equation. When questioned on these physics, now you're telling us to be simple about it?

Priceless.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by drock905
You know, the op claims that skeptics are always insulting the believers, but you know whats funny? The people who are actually insulting are the UFO alien believers. If you don't agree with them your obviously under mind control, your too simple to understand the idea, or you never experienced anything amazing.

Give me a break.

The skeptic is the greatest asset to the UFO debate. Don't you think being a skeptic is a good thing? Or do you just believe anything in a grainy youtube video or a website? Without objectivity in any debate no conclusion can be reached.


True but the debunkers have hijacked skepticism and taken stupidity to a new, higher level. Sorry for being so abrasive but if you can't tell the difference between a bonafide skeptic and a "lets throw any looney explanation to debunk anything and/or everything" pseudo-skeptic then you must be new to ufology OR INDEED CLOSE MINDED!


Originally posted by drock905
I know its hard to accept because people are so emotionally invested but there is NO undeniable scientific proof that aliens are visting our planet in flying saucers. If there was this debate wouldn't be happening.

Blindly accepting something without real proof is not science it is FAITH. The UFO alien debate demands extraordinary proof not faith, it is NOT religion.


In your opinion what exactly constitutes proof? Do you and the other pseudo-skeptics need to actually touch the craft and/or beings? Would it make any difference if the president said "take it from me....aliens are here" or maybe an interview on CBS with the NASA director; maybe a General working in the pentagon? Guess what...many have ALREADY SPOKEN and the disclosure project has gathered hours and hours of testimonials!

Disclosure Project


Originally posted by drock905
Don't you see the
I have seen weird stuff, we all have.

I DO NOT MEAN TO INSULT ANYONE BUT,

Saying that millions have seen UFOs and been abducted is not proof. Maybe you don't realize it yet, but many people in this world are LIARS, HOAXERS, CHARLATANS or simply CRAZY.
Again I am not saying anyone here is any of those things, just that they exist.

With all that said,
Is it possile aliens are visiting? Of course it is. Anything is possible.

I have an open mind, but I'm also open to the fact that they are not.


Your right there is no proof. Only about a thousand tons of evidence which people like you neglect and or distort to your liking. If you don't want to insult us...then don't!



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by thrashee

Originally posted by FlySolo
Basics to what? Is that another typical back door retort? Much like swap gas and balloons?


The basics of logic. I was addressing how your conclusion did not follow from your statements. I don't know what exactly you mean by back door retort, but swamp gas and balloons are two phenomena that have actually been proven to be the cause of many UFO sightings, so to dismiss them outright because they are cliches seems fool hearty to me.



Further, I would respectfully ask you to withdraw your comment about flying unicorns. Trying to lump me into the same category as those who create laughable threads is only an attempt to distract. Its a typical ad hominem remark and has nothing to do with what I said.


I didn't say that specifically to you. It was a rhetorical reply to the oft-heard complaint by believers that skeptics never have the same burden of proof that believers had. And what exactly makes such threads laughable? Where do you draw the line between obvious belief in nonsense, and rational beliefs supported by bona fide evidence?


I'm sorry, in 10 words or less can you explain how my logic doesn't follow my statement? About what? That skeptics should try and debunk their own answers?

I've heard over and over that the burden off proof lies on the one making the claim. True. But it works both ways. If one makes a rebuttal and offers an explanation, then it must be backed.

As for the laughable threads well...
now we're just pissing in the wind. You know exactly what I mean.

Back door retort:
cheap one word cliche cop out used over and over again because it worked once



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
I'm sorry, in 10 words or less can you explain how my logic doesn't follow my statement? About what? That skeptics should try and debunk their own answers?


Don't know about 10, but I'll try to make it as brief as possible: what does a skeptic failing to support his own position have to do with his data being flawed and him being biased?



I've heard over and over that the burden off proof lies on the one making the claim. True. But it works both ways. If one makes a rebuttal and offers an explanation, then it must be backed.


It does work both ways. And informally, if a skeptic says "this could just be a balloon", that's an opinion, isn't it? If they definitively claim, "this is nothing but a balloon", then yes, they have a burden of proof.



Back door retort:
cheap one word cliche cop out used over and over again because it worked once


You mean like "pseudo-skeptic", "no proof is ever good enough for a skeptic", "you're just a debunker", "there is evidence, but it's been covered up"?



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
We're talking about either a latex or polychloroprene balloon, not a flying cardboard box.


Okay...so the physics of a balloon are not the same regardless of what they are made of....just wanted to clear that up.

Because of course....that throws your entire shtick about how a balloon is supposed to react, into doubt.

We have zero idea what materials the balloon may have been constructed with....meaning the performance and characteristics of any possible balloon, to be totally unknown. They could even be what was exhibited in the video.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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Nobody seems to have mentioned anything about the shape of the "shadow". It's always round. And looking at the shadows in the craters in the upper left I'd say if the object creating the "shadow" was round, it's shadow would be very oval in appearance in that area. It's highly unlikely the object is just coincidently oval and in the exact position constantly, relative to the light source, to create a round shadow throughout the sequence.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:13 PM
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Ballons from the Japs loaded with bombs, covered up because we did not want them to know they made it here.

The Mexican UFO's may have be hot oil platform stacks , motion from plane changed perspective on FLIR tape.

I want to see warp speed, the Nellis UFO morphing and the equidistance it stayed from tower was sweet. Check out the map of trajectory. Notice the superdark shadow bending light under the bottom of the orb.

Belguim Triangle chased by F16's that jumped from surface to altitude was neat. Speed is one thing but diving thousands of feet in 2 seconds then jumping back and toying with F16's in hot pursuit is hard to explain, their Air Force stood in front of screen with pointer on a video and explained the dramitic manuevers on radar.



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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hey i have one question for you if i may ask you.

do you beleive in ghost's?



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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Ok, to Penny and Thrashee;

I jumped in because of the comment by Phage:

"No, I didn't say it doesn't change direction. I agree it appears to change direction. The photographer, an amateur astronomer says that. After intensive analysis it was determined that it appears to change direction because of the the movement of the moon.

The object does not go behind anything at any point in the video.

It was a balloon.

This discussion is off topic so I'm going to drop it now."

Funny how I'm carrying this debate with you two. But, if you insist...



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by thrashee

Originally posted by FlySolo
I missed this stellar remark.
We're talking about either a latex or polychloroprene balloon, not a flying cardboard box. Don't over complicate things.


Hey, you were the one who wanted to bring physics into the equation. When questioned on these physics, now you're telling us to be simple about it?

Priceless.


If you read my comment about how a balloon reacts when in high altitude then you wouldn't have bothered to comment. The explanation was simple enough and I stand by it. What's so complicated about that?



posted on Oct, 19 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by FlySolo
We're talking about either a latex or polychloroprene balloon, not a flying cardboard box.


Okay...so the physics of a balloon are not the same regardless of what they are made of....just wanted to clear that up.

Because of course....that throws your entire shtick about how a balloon is supposed to react, into doubt.

We have zero idea what materials the balloon may have been constructed with....meaning the performance and characteristics of any possible balloon, to be totally unknown. They could even be what was exhibited in the video.


Sigh,

In case you missed it I'll say it again...

Post by Phage:

No, I didn't say it doesn't change direction. I agree it appears to change direction. The photographer, an amateur astronomer says that. After intensive analysis it was determined that it appears to change direction because of the the movement of the moon.

The object does not go behind anything at any point in the video.

It was a balloon

This discussion is off topic so I'm going to drop it now.

My lighting fast zippy quick google search:

"They raise until the pressure inside the balloon is greater than the pressure outside. At Sea Level, atmospheric pressure is 14.7 PSI. At higher altitudes, that pressure lowers. The pressure outside the balloon lowers but the pressure inside remains the same. This happens until the extent of strength the balloon has to maintain that pressure is broken and it pops. At that point, it drifts back down to the ground blowing around in the wind."

Now you guys want to state it was a special kind of balloon where common physics won't apply...



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