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Originally posted by silver6ix
I think the point he is making is that nobody runs around questioning the rationality of religious belief and demanding proof of life every two seconds.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Your constant, incessant demands for proof are painted in a very thin veil of rationality which when torn asunder reveals little more than glaring hypocrisy.
Originally posted by silver6ix
So this mythical "proof" some people so constantly demand is nothing more than a reinforcement of an illusional world in which they live. Truth? Seriously, you cant handle the truth (i love that live)
Originally posted by riggs2099
We are not asking for proof than we and only we will agree with. But evidence that will make the world believe and not just those of us in the ufo community. Something that say without a shadow of a doubt, that aliens are here.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Exactly. We want proof that is incontrovertible. We want proof that is not open to interpretation.
Originally posted by silver6ix
NASA telling you tomorrow that little green men are here would be "proof" for you.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Your proof is the proof many believers already have
Originally posted by silver6ix
the only difference is the credibility in your mind and theirs. Theirin lies the hypocrisy, you chaste that which you espouse.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Again, you define your "proof" in the credibility of people you chose so blindly to believe.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Untrue. If that were true you would not believe Uranus exists for im sure you have never seen it.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Again, you define your "proof" in the credibility of people you chose so blindly to believe.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by silver6ix
NASA telling you tomorrow that little green men are here would be "proof" for you.
Yes, because that would be, as Riggs and I both define, incontrovertible, undeniable proof. If NASA came out tomorrow and said aliens were here, I would have to admit, "Hey, awesome...I'm wrong."
They do not have proof. They have evidence. And that evidence is neither undeniable, conclusive, or incontrovertible. We disagree on the interpretation of the evidence.
If all that matters is the credibility we place on an individual, why does that make me a hypocrite and not you? To you, a person is credible if they are telling you what you want to hear.
Originally posted by silver6ix
So as I said. Hypocrisy. Your truth is defined by the credibility you attach to someone else telling you its true. That isnt proof of anything except gullibility my friend.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Wrong they have the same proof as anyone else. They, in many cases, choose to take someones word for it. They give that person credibility as you do to NASA and their proof is as valid as yours.
Originally posted by silver6ix
It is not different than those who give credibility to the words of the Pope and those who do not, it is not proof it is a choice to believe in a lack of proof.
Originally posted by silver6ix
The difference is clear, you believe in fiction, I only believe in fact and possiblity.
Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by NoRunRichard
You have no solid evidence. Your UFO's are here is based purely on speculation and faith. Show us something that says outright alien and cannot have another logical alternative. Eyewtiness's can be mistaken, ufo's can be misidentified terrestrial craft or maybe celestial occurances or they can be alien, and as for alien life taking people, there are only the stories that can be attributed to sleep paralysis or other things. See what we are talking about...there are too many alternatives to just the alien hypothesis. There is no evidence out there that points at aliens being the one and only answer.
Originally posted by riggs2099
The main problem with believers is this; they pick and choose when to believe what someone says. They will BELIEVE that the government is telling the truth when they say these crafts are not thiers and have no clue as to what they are..but will turn around and NOT BELIEVE them when they say they don't know what they are. So they believe when it is goes along with when they believe but will not believe them when it goes against thier beliefs.
Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by lifeform
I don't have a problem with people thinking of it as only a possibility. The problem I have is that people stating that these things are fact and are the only possible answer.
Originally posted by silver6ix
Again, you dont have any proof all you have is someones word, its all you have ever had and you CHOOSE to believe it. Its not undeniable, its not soltid and its not the holy grail of proof. Your proof can be disputed, and is disupted so you do not need to be asking anyone for proof you cannot provide for yourself.